Dont bet on your guy waiving his NMC for XD -- 2 of 65 waived in 2017

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Published: May 19, 2021

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There were sixty-five (65) players with No Movement Clauses (NMC) before the 2017 expansion draft. Many were asked to waive. Only two did.

Three were injury exemptions (shown here on LTIR).

Two waived their NMC (shown here on Taxi Squad).

1. Marc-Andre Fleury (who was selected by Vegas)
2. Toby Enstrom

Players with NMC in 2017 that were bought out
1. Francois Beauchemin
2. Simon Despres
3. Dan Girardi

Players known to have been asked to waive NMC in 2017 but declined:
Bieksa
Boychuk
Callahan
Chara
Filppula
Hartnell
Nash
Nielsen
Phaneuf
Pominville
Staal
Yandle
(others I am sure)

***Calendar - IMPORTANT***
Also, keep in mind the order of things around expansion

May 19: NHL regular season ends
Jun 2: Entry Draft Lottery
Jul 9: Stanley Cup playoffs end
Jul 12: Deadline for teams to ask players to waive NMC
Jul 16: Deadline for players to waive NMC
Jul 17: Teams protection lists submitted to league
Jul 17-21: Roster freeze in effect (no moves, no trades)
Jul 18: Protection lists made public
Jul 18-20: Seattle window to interview unprotected players
Jul 21: Seattle Expansion Draft
Jul 23-24: NHL Entry Draft
Jul 28: NHL free agency begins
Sep 22: Training camp begins
Oct 12: 2021-22 season begins

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
60	$81,500,000	$367,431,220	$0	$730,000	-$285,931,220

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Foligno, Nick $1,375,000$1,375,000 LW, C, RW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1	Crosby, Sidney $8,700,000$8,700,000 C NMC UFA - 5	Kane, Patrick $2,625,000$2,625,000 RW NMC UFA - 3
Hartnell, Scott $4,750,000$4,750,000	Toews, Jonathan $10,500,000$10,500,000 C NMC UFA - 3	Perry, Corey $750,000$750,000 RW UFA - 1
Benn, Jamie $9,500,000$9,500,000 LW, C NMC UFA - 5	Malkin, Evgeni $9,500,000$9,500,000 C NMC UFA - 2	Kessel, Phil $6,800,000$6,800,000 RW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 2
Giroux, Claude $4,137,500$4,137,500 RW, C NMC UFA - 2	Getzlaf, Ryan $8,250,000$8,250,000 C NMC UFA - 1	Stamkos, Steven $8,500,000$8,500,000 LW, C NMC UFA - 4
Parise, Zach $7,538,462$7,538,462 LW NMC UFA - 5	Kopitar, Anze $10,000,000$10,000,000 C M-NTC UFA - 4	Okposo, Kyle $6,000,000$6,000,000 RW M-NTC UFA - 3
Sedin, Daniel $7,000,000$7,000,000	Sedin, Henrik $7,000,000$7,000,000	Kesler, Ryan $6,875,000$6,875,000 C, RW NMC UFA - 2
Nash, Rick $7,800,000$7,800,000	Staal, Jordan $6,000,000$6,000,000 C, LW NMC UFA - 3	Hossa, Marián $5,275,000$5,275,000 RW NMC UFA - 1
Ladd, Andrew $5,500,000$5,500,000 LW M-NTC UFA - 3	Bergeron, Patrice $6,875,000$6,875,000 C M-NTC, NMC UFA - 2	Pominville, Jason $5,600,000$5,600,000
Lucic, Milan $5,250,000$5,250,000 LW, RW NMC UFA - 3	Koivu, Mikko $6,750,000$6,750,000	Callahan, Ryan $5,800,000$5,800,000
Anisimov, Artem $4,550,000$4,550,000 C, LW UFA - 1	Tavares, John $11,000,000$11,000,000 C, LW NMC UFA - 5	Spezza, Jason $700,000$700,000 C, RW UFA - 1
Dubinsky, Brandon $5,850,000$5,850,000 C, LW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1	Krejci, David $7,250,000$7,250,000 C M-NTC UFA - 1	Backes, David $4,500,000$4,500,000 C, RW M-NTC UFA - 1
Filppula, Valtteri $3,000,000$3,000,000 C, LW M-NTC UFA - 1	Nielsen, Frans $5,250,000$5,250,000 C, LW M-NTC UFA - 2	Eriksson, Loui $6,000,000$6,000,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Hedman, Victor $7,875,000$7,875,000 LD NMC UFA - 5	Seabrook, Brent $6,875,000$6,875,000 RD NMC UFA - 4	Price, Carey $10,500,000$10,500,000 G NMC UFA - 6
Suter, Ryan $7,538,462$7,538,462 LD NMC UFA - 5	Byfuglien, Dustin $7,600,000$7,600,000	Bobrovsky, Sergei $10,000,000$10,000,000 G NMC UFA - 6
Yandle, Keith $6,350,000$6,350,000 LD NMC UFA - 3	Letang, Kris $7,250,000$7,250,000 RD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 2	Crawford, Corey $6,000,000$6,000,000
Keith, Duncan $5,538,462$5,538,462 LD NMC UFA - 3	Petry, Jeff $5,500,000$5,500,000 RD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1	Bishop, Ben $4,916,667$4,916,667 G M-NTC, NMC UFA - 3
Chara, Zdeno $795,000$795,000 ($730,000$730K) LD NMC UFA - 1	Hjalmarsson, Niklas $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD/RD NMC UFA - 1	Talbot, Cam $3,666,667$3,666,667 G UFA - 3
Phaneuf, Dion $7,000,000$7,000,000	Bieksa, Kevin $4,000,000$4,000,000	Rinne, Pekka $5,000,000$5,000,000 G M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1
Sekera, Andrej $1,500,000$1,500,000 LD/RD UFA - 2	Johnson, Erik $6,000,000$6,000,000 RD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 3	Lundqvist, Henrik $1,500,000$1,500,000 G UFA - 1
Goligoski, Alex $5,475,000$5,475,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 1	Boychuk, Johnny $6,000,000$6,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 2
Staal, Marc $5,700,000$5,700,000 LD NMC UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
		Clarkson, David $5,250,000$5,250,000
		Clowe, Ryane $4,850,000$4,850,000
		Horton, Nathan $5,300,000$5,300,000

Taxi Squad
Fleury, Marc-André $3,500,000$3,500,000 ($2,425,000$2M$2,425,000$2M) G M-NTC UFA - 2
Enstrom, Toby $5,750,000$5,750,000 ($4,675,000$5M$4,675,000$5M)

May 19, 2021 at 10:45 a.m.

Gmonwy

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How many were asked to though?

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May 19, 2021 at 10:49 a.m.

Bobcat205

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I'm still wondering who the hell thought it was a good idea to give an NMC to Jeff Petry.

May 19, 2021 at 10:51 a.m.

NHLfan10506

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Quoting: Gmonwy

How many were asked to though?

A lot of them - don't know exactly how many because that list isn't made public.

May 19, 2021 at 10:51 a.m.

Gmonwy

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Quoting: Gmonwy

How many were asked to though?

At least 1 player has waived. Milan Lucic.
Happy Flames fan here

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May 19, 2021 at 11:05 a.m.

Redguard191

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I don't know the rules after you waived it once that season but Taylor Hall waived to go to the Bruins. However does this not mean that the Bruins need to protect him for this expansion draft?

May 19, 2021 at 11:06 a.m.

Lenny7

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Lucic waived as well.

Apparently there weren't actually a ton of people asked to waive. The only two notable refusals were that I've seen are Phaneuf and Yandle.

I personally think that GM's are very wary of asking players to waive NMC's in the first place, especially if it's the same GM in the position now as when the contract was signed. It's pretty bad optics.

May 19, 2021 at 11:08 a.m.

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Quoting: Redguard191

I don't know the rules after you waived it once that season but Taylor Hall waived to go to the Bruins. However does this not mean that the Bruins need to protect him for this expansion draft?

He's a UFA. You can use a protection slot on him if you're confident that you'll re-sign him, but most UFA's aren't protected. If Seattle picks him, and they can't come to terms on a contract, they risk wasting that pick.

May 19, 2021 at 11:17 a.m.

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Quoting: Redguard191

I don't know the rules after you waived it once that season but Taylor Hall waived to go to the Bruins. However does this not mean that the Bruins need to protect him for this expansion draft?

No, if you have an expiring contract, it does not count towards expansion draft.
Boston will only be forced to protect him if they signed him to extension before July 17.

May 19, 2021 at 11:18 a.m.

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Quoting: Lenny7

Seattle gets to interview all the UFA's before they conduct expansion draft.
So if they pick a UFA, one can be assured that player will likely sign with Seattle.

May 19, 2021 at 11:20 a.m.

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Quoting: Lenny7

There is a short list at the top - but I honestly haven't fully researched who was asked and who wasn't.
Also, they guys who were bought out...were asked to waived first.

May 19, 2021 at 11:41 a.m.

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

There is a short list at the top - but I honestly haven't fully researched who was asked and who wasn't.
Also, they guys who were bought out...were asked to waived first.

I mean, I'm not 100% sure on everyone, I've just gone by what I've read. Just a quick gander at your list, and I'm 100% sure that Bieksa wasn't asked to waive, because the Ducks had a deal already in place. Staal and Girardi were apparently also not asked to waive (from what I've read).

As for the buyouts, I'm not sure that it's a given that they were asked. Look at someone like the Avs with Beauchemin...it was probably cheaper for Colorado to buyout Beauchemin than to compensate Vegas for taking him given what teams were giving up to shed salary. Anaheim moved Shea Theodore to get rid of one year of Clayton Stoner ($3.25 mil). The Despres buyout cost the Ducks a little over $5 mil over the span of 8 years. Same sort of deal with Girardi. The cost of shedding the contract would have been attrocious.

May 19, 2021 at 11:45 a.m.

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Most guys in the last expansion draft with NMCs would have been protected even without them. Even like Pommer for MN it wouldn't have mattered. Dumba/Brodin would have been the pick for VGK without MN bribing them.

It really doesn't matter this year for most teams either if guys waive their NMC or not. It's been 4 years since the Vegas draft, some of the same players have NMCs and are now well past their primes. There isn't a chance they'll be picked now. If they are on a good team they might waive just to help their chances at the Cup or risk being a buyout.

So much is different with the flat cap and teams have time to be better prepared for this expansion draft than it was for the Vegas draft. I think a few more will waive, if asked, this time around.

May 19, 2021 at 11:49 a.m.

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

Seattle gets to interview all the UFA's before they conduct expansion draft.
So if they pick a UFA, one can be assured that player will likely sign with Seattle.

It would have to be a pretty big UFA (Hamilton) to not just wait the extra couple of weeks and sign him as UFA. I mean the player wouldn't agree to the deal unless and they wanted to be there.

May 19, 2021 at 11:56 a.m.

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Quoting: Lenny7

They had a deal done because Bieksa said he would not waive.
And you are right that they never formally requested the waiver.

There are two ways to look at "asked to waive"

One is a verbal ask. Team may ask, reporters may ask, whatever. Or a player may just preemptively just say that he won't.
Second is the more official, legal process in which NHL and NHLPA sign off on an addendum to the player contract.

There were many of the former, but few with the latter.

May 19, 2021 at 12:00 p.m.

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Quoting: wabit

It would have to be a pretty big UFA (Hamilton) to not just wait the extra couple of weeks and sign him as UFA. I mean the player wouldn't agree to the deal unless and they wanted to be there.

Of course.
But even if Seattle interviews a UFA, likes him, agrees to sign him, they can still pick another player from their original team.

So in Hamilton's example...If Carolina does not protect Dougie, Seattle can talk to him.
If they work out a deal, Seattle can still turn around and select Jake Bean from Carolina.

(unlikely scenario....but you can see how some times may not want their UFAs talking to Seattle)

May 19, 2021 at 12:15 p.m.

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

True, but if you can get Hamilton now you take him. He hasn't been able to talk to other teams yet and SEA might be outbid. He'll be one of the top UFAs on the market. I like Bean a lot, but he's not worth the risk of losing what could be the best player (Hamilton) on the team for SEA.

For most players I agree, you pick someone else and try to get him as a UFA; but there are a few exceptions. Danault might be another one, I'm on the fence with what I'd do with the pick from MTL.

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