I know salary cap. STOP. Killorn will attract multiple teams interest as his resume and Playoff performances will create much interest, The bidding war negating Cap issues, He gets a 2+6or7 or a 3 and 4

Man....relax...so make it a 2nd or add a 4th...or add a minor league player who could be close...It's not like I am saying trade him and give us a first cuz of cap hell and no one would want him

I am saying he is a targer the oilers should have. neither of us are employed in an NHL front office so we both really have no idea about fair or not

Not even close on the Detroit trade. It will take a LOT better of a package to take Neal off your books.

Likely...but wings are just buying him out and left with like a $1M cap hit to do so....in exchange for a guy who finished tied for 3rd in AHL scoring and will likely have an NHL job and a pick...can up the pick for sure....and Detroit was just the team I chose, but could be any team willing to do the buy out, carry a small cap hit and pick up a NHL ready player and a decent pick for $1M cap hit on the buy out

Detroit will not be interested in this.

Detroit will be offered several cap dump deals this season and will choose the ones that gives the best returns both in assets and in the usability of the player they take on. This offer will not even make the top-10.

Neal would have to be bought out and we already have a player that is a buy out candidate.
Benson is eligible for waivers and there is no roster spot for him, he lowers the value of the deal not raise it. There's a 50-contract limit in the NHL.

For Detroit to even consider this trade you would have to add 5-6 1st round picks, that might make it comparable to some of the other offers that are expected.

Detroit already have a player they want to buy out.
AHL players are not an asset, they take up a contract spot that then can't be used on a better player should one appear on waivers or via trade.

I might be crazy in my offer....but if you expect any offer, let alone offers for any player in the NHL that comes with 5-6 first round picks...not sure what to tell you

Haha, when I make these too, I trade for players as an idea for a target for the Oilers, I dont think my trade value is fair or accurate, but that is not the point of it.

Man you have no clue what you are talking about.

DET for years was built on players in the AHL all on contracts that counted towards their 50 contract cap. Benson would be a great pick up top AHL player ahead of many in DET pipeline ready for a shot in the AHL. as for a team that finished next to last you take as many assests as you can to build yes they all dont work out but top scorers in the AHL typically do..

Only reason the oilers would not keep him is they are looking for veteran wingers as they are in a win now mode this summer. not a rebuild bring up young players.

I don't expect any such offer.
I'm just trying to quantify how far the offer is from being realistic as it is.

My bad....the last sentence after comma reads to me that you are expecting multiple offers

Thanks for admitting your mistake, doesn't happen often here...

Detroit are expecting many cap dump offers that contain very good returns for Detroit in addion to being for players that Detroit actually have use for in positions where Detroit needs Help.

Tyler Johnson + Alnefelt + Ryfors + Goncalves is one such deal being mentioned here. That deal brings Johnson who fits a 2C need so that Veleno doesn't have to play above his ability. It brings a top goalie prospect which we don't have, and a very good centre prospect which is our weakest position and another centre prospect that was the highest goal scorer in SHL this season. All of the prospects are exempt from waivers and also from the expansion draft. That's 4 players that all fit very well with the needs Detroit have both immediate ones and future ones.

If you compare that type of deal with yours that doesn't bring any player that Detroit have a use for then you'll see why I said that you'd have to add so many picks before Detroit would consider your offer instead of the Johnson one.

It's an auction for cap space this offseason and teams like Detroit with space to sell will sell that space to the team that bids the highest.

Post buyout earnings $7,666,667 & post buyout cap $7,666,668 all spread over four years. Which is a $1,916,667 yearly figure. Let’s say Edmonton retains the maximum allowable amount per the CBA. It’s ~960k dead cap per a year & salary which equates to 3.83M. For reference, pre-Covid Marleau was 6.25M dead cap & 4M cash for the buyout. I don’t think anyone would argue that owners have been more conservative financially (cutting positions, deferring salary, etc.). That’s also with the figures where it would be a 50/50 split with Edmonton so they’d take that hit also not 750k like OP mentions.


I great way to start a dialogue is with a personal attack.

Have you looked at who has won the Willie Marshall or Sollenberger awards? I’m not sure I’d use the term “typically” with AHL production & NHL success.

This is what I thought before...but Puck Pedia....a rival site to this one had a nugget about caps and buyouts the other day....that if they retained 30% of James Neal contract (5.75M *30% = $1.725M) and then he was bought out by the other team traded to...they get less a cap hit...so essentially from how I understand it, Oilers in this case would need to retain 30% of his total buyout...

His buyout is around 1.9M so 30% retained is $570k....I think it is a wrinkle as teams have traded assets for people on an expiring deal to be bought out(Marleau), but not often have they traded contracts with years left so this may be a wrinkle in CBA that instead of teams buying players out, can trade with retention, have trading team do the buyout and collect assets....$1.3M cap hit in this example to net you players and picks....could be a win win for teams with contracts longer than 1 year to cut down on cap hit buyout and rebuilding teams allowed to build assets and picks for competing down the road for not as big of cash outlay for traditional buyout

Without being offensive, I have to tell you that Benson does not have the value you think he does. He can't skate and even if he could, he's 23 and still didn't make a team that was desperate for scoring outside their top three. He projects as a borderline NHL player.
As for the Neal contract a first and a second seem fair considering the buyout is not excessive.

So we know Neal has 11.5M left on his contract with 2 years remaining. So 2/3 would be $7,666,667 and it would be spread over twice the remaining term left (2*2) 4 years. When dealing with retained salary buyouts it’s a % retained over the overall contract. So with your example from Puckpedia (I wasn’t aware they had articles) it would look like this.

Detroit Side
(7,666,667 / 4 ) * .7 = 1,341,666.72 yearly
5,366,666.9 over the four years

Edmonton Side

(7,666,667 / 4 ) * .3 = 575,000.02 yearly
2,300,000.1 over the four years

With that being said, the compensation should reflect what 5,366,666.9 cap & cash would cost. So Marleau cost a first round pick top 10 protected IIRC for 6.25M AAV & 4M cash per-Covid. I can’t think of any recent comps outside of that one which was purely picks based. There was the Bickell & Teravainen to Carolina but that’s difficult to dictate value for now. Same for the Orpik (Washington-Colorado) trade since it involved Grubs. I’m not a huge Benson fan so he doesn’t really add too much value imo and I think Yzerman would be after solely picks in this situation considering Holland isn’t moving Holloway nor should he.

Holland might trade Holloway but it won't be for a cap dump. Remember Holland is the GM that offered one of Mantha/Larkin for Tyler Myers. Ew, that still grosses me out to even think about.

I didnt have an issue with not wanting the buyout. it was with the premise of AHL



I had no issue with you objecting to the trade and buy out I agree the picks need to change. but the premise that AHL players are not assets is complete stupidity. Good team have many AHL players that are assets thats how you build a team rushing them to the NHL Does not work case in point puljujarvi in Edmonton. Yes Benson is 23 not many players except stars to superstars make it before that point. 2 of the calder finalist this year are over 23 years old. and sticking with Detroit Datsyuk was 23 rookie season zetterberg was 23 rookie season. so writing some one off because of age I don't agree with either.

As for your awards yes points are not everything and if you look at the list of those award winners many are older career AHL players to be 23 still a young player and up there in points is a great sign. Yes you are right it doesnt mean it will ever translate to the NHL but the odds are drastically better.

Yes Benson foot speed may be an issue and remains to be seen where he will end up. could be a nobody or could be like same reinhart where everyone knocked his foot speed yet he still makes it work... or somewhere in between that is why he is called a prospect...

point is Detroit is not in the position to just take NHL contracts or waiting for the scrap heap that is the waiver wire... there is a reason those players are on waivers... Its collecting as many picks and prospects yes even AHL prospects to give your team the best shot at one of them panning out into a decent NHL player.

No what's stupid is for Detroit to take the wrong players in deals. Again I tried to be respectful to you then you made a response to an argument I didn't make and then called me stupid which is a sadly lazy way to try to win an argument. AHL players are fine, Benson is not. I notice how you Oiler fans never have an explanation as to why a team starved for offense outside of their top two wouldn't have him in their lineup. Keep him. But don't ever seriously compare him to Datsyuk. or Zetterberg. Detroit is not in any "position" so this comment doesn't even have relevance. If you're going to be condescending make sure you know what you're talking about first chief.

if you can read the stupid comment was for the other person on the same post who doesnt beleive in AHL players so open your eyes. no Benson is not like datsyuk or zetterberg just showing it takes time just cuz he is 23 doesnt make him a bust case in point to hall of fame players started at 23 why cant a fringe player start there..... Holland also said he was not going to call up any AHL players this year because of the 2 week quarantine period. any other year he would have been called up a got a shot but holland wanted him to play and put up points which he did. only player that got called up was a center when they had like 4 players injured and needed a centreman and his hand was forced and another call up would have caused someone to go on waivers and could lose them or put them in tight of a spot with the salary cap.

so maybe you do some research and know what you are talking about chief!

Anyways the oilers wont put him in a trade because i believe he will be on there roster start of next season as the 3 LW with two veterans ahead of him.

Have a nice day.

I agree there are assets in the AHL, I’ve already mentioned I’m not high on Benson. Detroit already has waiver wingers that need a shot like Svechnikov so adding another isn’t a need compared to picks nor do I think he holds a ton of value at the moment. That’s one reason I broke down the cost from both a cash & AAV for the buyout with comps. I was more commenting on your personal attack towards the other user as it’s not really beneficial and typically on these boards just ends in one of them trolling the other.