Contender in two years

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Created by: Mattkenn

Team: 2022-23 Ottawa Senators

Initial Creation Date: Jun. 10, 2021

Published: Jun. 10, 2021

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

Step one:

Get Seth Jones Using quantity over quality. With the Karlsson Trade as reference. 9 assets for 1 trade is never seen before. CBJ are looking to rebuild this is the kind of trade they must be looking for. 2 active servicable players + 2 A minus finnish prospects + 2 B prospects + 3 picks including the 10th overall. One hell of a return.

2. Protect: Tkachuk, Batherson, Brown, Paul, White, Dadonov, Watson, Chabot, Jones, Mete

3. That leaves Seattle with a choice of Zaitsev or Murray. Two contracts we want to get rid of anyways.

4. Let's say they pick zaitsez and also foote from Tampa. We need a RHD so we pay a little hefty price for foote but banking on his potential. We sign him to 4 x 2.5.

5. During they year, flyers are not off to a good start and look to trade Giroux. Ottawa is an obvious fit. Wanting to do him good, they trade him here with the Pacioretty trade as reference. An overpaid but servicable player + 2nd + A prospect. Extend him to a 4year - 15M contract to finish his career in Ottawa where he can spend more time with wife and kids.

6. Either in the offseason or during the next season upgrade Dadonov to tarasenko, Pay 1st round pick + an unknown prospects.

Free Agent Signings

RESERVE LIST		YEARS	CAP HIT
Sanderson, Jake		3	$925,000

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Foote, Cal	4	$2,500,000
Batherson, Drake	8	$5,625,000
Norris, Joshua	6	$6,000,000
Tkachuk, Brady	8	$8,125,000
Gustavsson, Filip	3	$1,750,000
Brännström, Erik	5	$4,000,000
Formenton, Alex	2	$1,500,000

UFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Jones, Seth	8	$9,375,000
Giroux, Claude	4	$3,750,000
Paul, Nicholas	5	$3,000,000
Stastny, Paul	2	$2,500,000
Steen, Alexander	1	$750,000
Comeau, Blake	1	$750,000
Braun, Justin	1	$750,000

Trades

OTT

CBJ

Brown, Logan [RFA Rights]
Daccord, Joey
Järventie, Roby
Thomson, Lassi
Zub, Artem
2021 1st round pick (OTT)
2022 2nd round pick (TBL)
2022 3rd round pick (BOS)

Additional Details:

Tierney

OTT

SEA

Zaitsev, Nikita

OTT

Cal Foote

SEA

Mete, Victor [RFA Rights]
2021 2nd round pick (OTT)

OTT

Foote, Cal [RFA Rights]

Additional Details:

Taken in expansion by Seattle

TBL

OTT

Giroux

PHI

Greig, Ridly
White, Colin
2022 2nd round pick (OTT)

OTT

Tarasenko, Vladimir ($2,500,000 retained)

STL

Dadonov, Evgeni
2023 1st round pick (OTT)

Buyouts

Bobby Ryan: $1,833,333
Dion Phaneuf: $354,167

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2021
2022
2023

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

EMBED

TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$81,500,000	$75,300,000	$0	$3,525,000	$6,200,000

Roster

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Tkachuk, Brady $8,125,000$8,125,000 LW UFA - 6	Norris, Joshua $6,000,000$6,000,000 C UFA - 8	Batherson, Drake $5,625,000$5,625,000 RW, LW UFA - 5
Stützle, Tim $925,000$925,000 ($2,500,000$2M) C UFA - 1	Pinto, Shane $925,000$925,000 ($600,000$600K) C RFA - 1	Tarasenko, Vladimir $1,250,000$1,250,000 RW NTC UFA - 1
Paul, Nicholas $3,000,000$3,000,000 C, LW UFA - 7	Giroux, Claude $3,750,000$3,750,000 RW, C UFA - 3	Brown, Connor $3,600,000$3,600,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
	Stastny, Paul $2,500,000$2,500,000 C, LW UFA - 1	Watson, Austin $1,500,000$1,500,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
Formenton, Alex $1,500,000$1,500,000 LW RFA

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Chabot, Thomas $8,000,000$8,000,000 LD UFA - 6	Jones, Seth $9,375,000$9,375,000 RD UFA - 8	Murray, Matt $4,687,500$4,687,500 G M-NTC UFA - 2
Brännström, Erik $4,000,000$4,000,000 LD/RD, LW RFA - 1	Foote, Cal $2,500,000$2,500,000 RD RFA - 1
Sanderson, Jake $925,000$925,000 LD UFA - 2	Bernard-Docker, Jacob $925,000$925,000 ($425,000$425K) RD RFA - 1	Gustavsson, Filip $1,750,000$1,750,000 G UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Steen, Alexander $750,000$750,000 LW, RW, C UFA
Comeau, Blake $750,000$750,000 RW, LW UFA
Braun, Justin $750,000$750,000 RD UFA - 1

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Batherson, D.		Tkachuk, B.		Tarasenko, V.
	Stützle, T.		Brännström, E.

Power Play 2
Pinto, S.		Giroux, C.		Norris, J.
	Chabot, T.		Jones, S.

Penalty Kill 1
	Paul, N.	Brown, C.
	Chabot, T.	Jones, S.

Penalty Kill 2
	Formenton, A.	Giroux, C.
	Sanderson, J.	Foote, C.

Jun. 10, 2021 at 2:29 p.m.

McSchleep

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Jones at over 9 mil for 8 years...... yikes

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Jun. 10, 2021 at 2:36 p.m.

TheThunder

PULL A TAMPA IGNORE

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TB goes 4x4 Kucherov, Point, Cirelli Stamkos.
Hedman,Sergachev, Cernak Foote
Vasy
Foote isn't avaiable

Jun. 10, 2021 at 2:37 p.m.

Mattkenn

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Quoting: McSchleep

Jones at over 9 mil for 8 years...... yikes

Without a doubt! What a bargain! Karlsson and doughty for 11... thats a yikes!

Jones is 2nd best overall defenseman in the league. Change my mind.

Jun. 10, 2021 at 2:38 p.m.

McSchleep

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Quoting: Mattkenn

Without a doubt! What a bargain! Karlsson and doughty for 11... thats a yikes!

Jones is 2nd best overall defenseman in the league. Change my mind.

not funny, didnt laugh

Jun. 10, 2021 at 2:39 p.m.

Viqsi

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"Step one:

Get Seth Jones Using quantity over quality."

You've already failed. We already have quantity in depth; quality is the only thing that will make a deal happen.

Jun. 10, 2021 at 2:41 p.m.

Mattkenn

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Quoting: Viqsi

"Step one:

Get Seth Jones Using quantity over quality."

You've already failed. We already have quantity in depth; quality is the only thing that will make a deal happen.

Please tell me more about the abundance of talent in your prospect pool.

You guys are heading towards a rebuild...Don't go after a big name. Shed salary and Find a trade that will give you value 5 years down the road. Like the karlsson trade.

Jun. 10, 2021 at 2:45 p.m.

Viqsi

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Quoting: Mattkenn

What you're suggesting is futures rather than roster players; that doesn't change the equation. We need blue-chip futures in a Jones trade. We can get depth futures via other means - such as, say, the three 1sts we have this year. So, quality, not quantity.

Jun. 10, 2021 at 2:45 p.m.

Fergy22

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some interesting takes , Eugene won't like you throwing his $ around like that.
You are heavy on term for a few players ( Batherson , Paul ) .
Not giving up a 1st for Tarasenko.
If they were able to land Giroux, a big IF, it is going to cost more that what you projected to re-sign
Brannstrom and Norris are not due new deals for another year why bring them up now ?
I would bet Jones would not re-sign in Ottawa he is USA bound
Stastny one year only but thinking he does not fit in
Steen ??
I like Comeau but he is getting close and may have passed his 'best before'

Jun. 10, 2021 at 2:57 p.m.

Borocop

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what happens when stutzle, pinto, JBD and sanderson all need raises?

Jun. 10, 2021 at 3:07 p.m.

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Roperttos

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Giroux has no intentions of leaving Philly. Even if he did, he wouldn't go to Ottawa because he has said that he wants to win.

Jun. 10, 2021 at 3:15 p.m.

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Chopper02

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Honestly, as a Blues fan I'd be inclined to take that deal. Might offer a a pick to go to Ottawa in exchange for not retaining any salary, but otherwise I like the return.

Jun. 10, 2021 at 3:37 p.m.

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Mattkenn

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Quoting: Borocop

what happens when stutzle, pinto, JBD and sanderson all need raises?

In this scenario, Tarasenko (5M), Brown (3.6M), Stastny ( 2.5M) Watson are off the books for about 11m in caproom to resign JBD, Stutzle and Pinto.... May be enough to sign them to bridges ... But let's say we want to keep brown also, the most probable option is to buyout Murray as he has a pretty team friendly buyout structure.

Jun. 10, 2021 at 3:40 p.m.

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Borocop

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Quoting: Mattkenn

there would *maybe* be cap space to resign them if those free agents walk, but then we would need to replace those players too which would be hard as we've gutted our draft picks and prospects in this scenario

Jun. 10, 2021 at 4:44 p.m.

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Quoting: Chopper02

Honestly, as a Blues fan I'd be inclined to take that deal. Might offer a a pick to go to Ottawa in exchange for not retaining any salary, but otherwise I like the return.

Bro, Dadonov is sinking faster than Vova and that pick is two years away. No dice.

Jun. 10, 2021 at 4:52 p.m.

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Chopper02

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Quoting: mokumboi

Bro, Dadonov is sinking faster than Vova and that pick is two years away. No dice.

He was playing for a dreadful Ottawa team so I'm willing to give him a pass especially since he has the same amount of contract length and less money. Plus that 2023 Ottawa pick could potentially be top 10 again with Bedard. Blues won't get that offer (and probably wouldn't in real life either) from anyone else.

Jun. 10, 2021 at 4:56 p.m.

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mokumboi

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Quoting: Chopper02

Four guys 22 or younger outscored him, there's only so much this excuse can cover. He was already regressing hard with Florida anyway. And I kinda doubt Ottawa will be a lottery team in two years. They have a **** ton of developing young talent, basically half the roster with more on the way.

Jun. 10, 2021 at 5:07 p.m.

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Chopper02

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Quoting: mokumboi

It's Ottawa though, just because they have amazing young talent doesn't mean they'll be successful. They could be just as bad as Buffalo.

Jun. 10, 2021 at 5:47 p.m.

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mokumboi

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Quoting: Chopper02

It's Ottawa though, just because they have amazing young talent doesn't mean they'll be successful. They could be just as bad as Buffalo.

Highly doubt it. Ottawa has had much more successful runs than Buffalo. And that talent stockpile is legit.

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