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Team: 2021-22 Vancouver Canucks
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 13, 2021
Published: Jul. 13, 2021
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$800,000
3$6,250,000
2$850,000
3$7,250,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$1,450,000
2$2,250,000
4$3,750,000
2$900,000
3$2,000,000
1$800,000
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1.
VAN
  1. Graves, Ryan
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  1. Juolevi, Olli [RFA Rights]
  2. 2021 3rd round pick (VAN)
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VAN
    SEA select Gadjovich and acquire Holtby for 1 year at 3.25m in exchange for future considerations.
    SEA
    1. Gadjovich, Jonah
    2. Holtby, Braden ($1,050,000 retained)
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    VAN
    1. DeBrusk, Jake
    2. 2021 3rd round pick (BOS)
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    1. Schmidt, Nate
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    Jul. 13, 2021 at 5:44 p.m.
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    Well...I had you in the realm of reasonable (maybe light on the Larsson deal, but I could get past that) in the free agent signings, but we aren't getting those deals from the Bruins or the Avs.
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    Jul. 13, 2021 at 5:45 p.m.
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    Because Avalanche can’t protect Juolevi and the Bruins aren’t giving away a third and Debrusk for Schmidt. Your free agents likely sign for more and Larsson is very unlikely to sign in Vancouver….
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    Jul. 13, 2021 at 5:46 p.m.
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    why on earth would boston get Schmit
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    Jul. 13, 2021 at 5:47 p.m.
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    Schmidt doesn’t have value. If he continues his decline his contract is rough. Debrusk, even coming off a down year definitely has value. Take out the pick and its still a no go from boston.
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    Jul. 13, 2021 at 5:51 p.m.
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    Sakic only fleeces other GM's and Bim Jenning is a fool so it would probably be like Graves for Vans 1st this year lmao.

    SEA likely isn't taking on Cap space without incentive so they likely take a no body as there will be plenty of better goalie options.

    Bos isn't giving you value for Schmidt who is more or less a cap dump in a league that needs space more than ever.

    No idea why Larsson would go to Van of all places unless they drastically overpaid him ala Myers
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    Jul. 13, 2021 at 5:52 p.m.
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    Tell me why should Boston fans want the Bruins to accept that deal?
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    Jul. 13, 2021 at 6:02 p.m.
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    Quoting: Juiceman
    Because Avalanche can’t protect Juolevi and the Bruins aren’t giving away a third and Debrusk for Schmidt. Your free agents likely sign for more and Larsson is very unlikely to sign in Vancouver….


    Not gonna argue most of your points but why do you think Larsson would be so unlikely to sign in Van? Always been a heavy Swedish presence in Vancouver and he could reasonably assume he will be partnered with Quinn? Seems like a highly likely place for him to sign IMO.
    Jul. 13, 2021 at 6:05 p.m.
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    Schmidt isn't worth the crap in my toilet rn. Nevermind debrusk or a 3rd.
    Jul. 13, 2021 at 6:10 p.m.
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    Quoting: pastrnak_is_my_dad
    why on earth would boston get Schmit


    Quoting: CMcAvoy73
    Schmidt doesn’t have value. If he continues his decline his contract is rough. Debrusk, even coming off a down year definitely has value. Take out the pick and its still a no go from boston.


    Okay so I have seen a ton of Schmidt/DeBrusk swaps on this site from a BOS perspective so I thought I would jump in. Debrusk's value is low right now (agreed). Schmidt is a valuable top 4 guy but agreed his contract brings risk with it. Ultimately, he DOES have value though.
    Jul. 13, 2021 at 6:11 p.m.
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    Quoting: Skull_King
    Schmidt isn't worth the crap in my toilet rn. Nevermind debrusk or a 3rd.


    Tis a bad take. I can take constructive criticism but this just isn't true haha. Schmidt has value. Debatable if you think the value presented is fair but his should return assets in any trade he is involved in
    Jul. 13, 2021 at 6:12 p.m.
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    Tell me why should Boston fans want the Bruins to accept that deal?


    You're right their D-core is great as is.
    Jul. 13, 2021 at 6:13 p.m.
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    Quoting: Juiceman
    Because Avalanche can’t protect Juolevi and the Bruins aren’t giving away a third and Debrusk for Schmidt. Your free agents likely sign for more and Larsson is very unlikely to sign in Vancouver….


    Avs are 100% exposing Graves, Canucks would likely protect juolevi, and would definatley protect Graves.
    basically Avs get a 3rd for a player to expose in graves place to allow SEA to take him and not another exposed player. not a bad deal IMO
    Jul. 13, 2021 at 6:14 p.m.
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    Quoting: qwertymann
    Tis a bad take. I can take constructive criticism but this just isn't true haha. Schmidt has value. Debatable if you think the value presented is fair but his should return assets in any trade he is involved in


    Not debrusk and a 3rd. Not even a 3rd. Nearly 6 mil on a declining guy? That's negative value, bud.
    Jul. 13, 2021 at 6:19 p.m.
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    Quoting: Skull_King
    Not debrusk and a 3rd. Not even a 3rd. Nearly 6 mil on a declining guy? That's negative value, bud.


    Im assuming you watched all 54 of his games this year to be able to say he is declining. He is a strong, mobile, top 4 guy who can play both sides. Again, agreed the contract looks scary but its literally impossible to say he is declining and certainly does not have negative value.
    Jul. 13, 2021 at 6:22 p.m.
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    Im assuming you watched all 54 of his games this year to be able to say he is declining. He is a strong, mobile, top 4 guy who can play both sides. Again, agreed the contract looks scary but its literally impossible to say he is declining and certainly does not have negative value.


    Bud, he had 15 hits this year. That's not the type of defenseman anyone should want. Better on his right side too. Bruins don't need that either. Overall bad trade. Accept it and move on.
    Jul. 13, 2021 at 6:29 p.m.
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    Quoting: Skull_King
    Bud, he had 15 hits this year. That's not the type of defenseman anyone should want. Better on his right side too. Bruins don't need that either. Overall bad trade. Accept it and move on.


    Right so you haven't watched him play. Just accept you're speaking on feeling and not fact and move on. Also didn't realize hits were indicative of good defencemen...

    *checks the most recent Norris trophy winner's hit total...

    Your take is getting worse
    Jul. 13, 2021 at 6:30 p.m.
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    Quoting: qwertymann
    Okay so I have seen a ton of Schmidt/DeBrusk swaps on this site from a BOS perspective so I thought I would jump in. Debrusk's value is low right now (agreed). Schmidt is a valuable top 4 guy but agreed his contract brings risk with it. Ultimately, he DOES have value though.


    You think if schmidt was placed on waivers someone would claim him? I don’t think that’s a lock.
    Jul. 13, 2021 at 6:52 p.m.
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    Quoting: Mediumyeet
    Not gonna argue most of your points but why do you think Larsson would be so unlikely to sign in Van? Always been a heavy Swedish presence in Vancouver and he could reasonably assume he will be partnered with Quinn? Seems like a highly likely place for him to sign IMO.


    I’m not sure how the Keith trade is going to effect contract talks between him and the oilers because before the trade, it sounded like he was going to be re signed by the oilers.
    Jul. 13, 2021 at 7:04 p.m.
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    Quoting: qwertymann
    Right so you haven't watched him play. Just accept you're speaking on feeling and not fact and move on. Also didn't realize hits were indicative of good defencemen...

    *checks the most recent Norris trophy winner's hit total...

    Your take is getting worse


    I don't really care about point totals. We need a big checking d man on the left side. Schmidt isn't it. We have enough softies. Love your persistence but damn.
    Jul. 13, 2021 at 7:06 p.m.
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    I don't really care about point totals. We need a big checking d man on the left side. Schmidt isn't it. We have enough softies. Love your persistence but damn.


    I never mentioned point totals... what discussion are you having and who are you having it with? This is getting yikesier by the message
    Jul. 13, 2021 at 7:17 p.m.
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    You're right their D-core is great as is.


    Sooooo you can't?
    Jul. 13, 2021 at 8:22 p.m.
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    Sooooo you can't?


    Oh boy. I guess I jumped too many steps for you eh? The inference you were meant to make was that Boston has a need to improve their d-core. Nate Schmidt plays defence, at a top 4 level, mind you. Therefore, one could surmise that BOS would accept a trade such as the one in this AGM because they would be acquiring a player that can help them in an area where they need help. If I didn't know you were Bruins fan, I do now...
    Jul. 13, 2021 at 8:35 p.m.
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    Oh boy. I guess I jumped too many steps for you eh? The inference you were meant to make was that Boston has a need to improve their d-core. Nate Schmidt plays defence, at a top 4 level, mind you. Therefore, one could surmise that BOS would accept a trade such as the one in this AGM because they would be acquiring a player that can help them in an area where they need help. If I didn't know you were Bruins fan, I do now...


    First I thought my avatar of David Pastrnak would give away that I'm a B's fan lol

    Now onto the trade. Schmidt saw his number fall back down to earth aka his pre VGK days and he carries a nearly $6 million cap hit for another 4 years....and he's not a $6 million player.

    Good player, but not what Boston needs right now.
    Jul. 13, 2021 at 9:07 p.m.
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    Quoting: qwertymann
    I never mentioned point totals... what discussion are you having and who are you having it with? This is getting yikesier by the message


    What I'm saying is that if he's not checking, he better be scoring, and he's not. Simple enough?
     
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