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RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Benson, Tyler	2	$850,000
Skinner, Stuart	2	$850,000
Marody, Cooper	1	$850,000
Yamamoto, Kailer	2	$1,750,000

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
22	$81,500,000	$78,880,301	$669,339	$1,307,500	$2,619,699

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Holloway, Dylan $925,000$925,000 ($400,000$400K) LW, C RFA - 3	McDavid, Connor $12,500,000$12,500,000 C UFA - 5	Puljujärvi, Jesse $1,175,000$1,175,000 RW UFA - 1
Foegele, Warren $2,750,000$2,750,000 LW, RW UFA - 3	Draisaitl, Leon $8,500,000$8,500,000 C, LW UFA - 4	Yamamoto, Kailer $1,750,000$1,750,000 RW RFA - 1
Brown, Connor $3,600,000$3,600,000 RW, LW UFA - 2	Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan $5,125,000$5,125,000 LW, C NMC UFA - 8	Hyman, Zach $5,500,000$5,500,000 RW, LW NMC UFA - 7
McLeod, Ryan $834,167$834,167 ($57,500$58K) C RFA - 1	Ryan, Derek $1,250,000$1,250,000 C, RW UFA - 2	Archibald, Josh $1,500,000$1,500,000 RW, LW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Nurse, Darnell $5,600,000$5,600,000 LD UFA - 1	Barrie, Tyson $4,500,000$4,500,000 RD UFA - 3	Khudobin, Anton $3,333,333$3,333,333 G M-NTC UFA - 2
Keith, Duncan $5,538,462$5,538,462 LD NMC UFA - 2	Ceci, Cody $3,250,000$3,250,000 RD UFA - 4	Smith, Mike $2,200,000$2,200,000 G UFA - 2
Russell, Kris $1,250,000$1,250,000 LD/RD UFA - 1	Bouchard, Evan $863,333$863,333 ($850,000$850K) RD RFA - 2

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Lagesson, William $725,000$725,000 LD/RD UFA - 1		Klefbom, Oscar $4,167,000$4,167,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 2
Shore, Devin $850,000$850,000 LW, C, RW UFA - 2

Aug. 4, 2021 at 7:59 a.m.

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Makes sense for a team like Ottawa to weaponize their cap space and I agree an unprotected 2023 1st rounder is worth its weight in gold because an Edmonton collapse is never out of the question. However, Melnyk's pockets are very shallow, he probably doesn't allow the trade because he needs every nickel he can get so he can continue to sue luxury cruises or whatever

Aug. 4, 2021 at 8:00 a.m.

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Holy overpayment

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Aug. 4, 2021 at 8:03 a.m.

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Quoting: Barbs

Makes sense for a team like Ottawa to weaponize their cap space and I agree an unprotected 2023 1st rounder is worth its weight in gold because an Edmonton collapse is never out of the question. However, Melnyk's pockets are very shallow, he probably doesn't allow the trade because he needs every nickel he can get so he can continue to sue luxury cruises or whatever

Lmfao

Aug. 4, 2021 at 8:07 a.m.

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Quoting: sensonfire

Holy overpayment

Gotta pay for cap dumps nowadays Robin 🙂
But maybe i add another 1st and direct my Attention to Eichel lol

Aug. 4, 2021 at 8:14 a.m.

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Quoting: Barbs

Makes sense for a team like Ottawa to weaponize their cap space and I agree an unprotected 2023 1st rounder is worth its weight in gold because an Edmonton collapse is never out of the question. However, Melnyk's pockets are very shallow, he probably doesn't allow the trade because he needs every nickel he can get so he can continue to sue luxury cruises or whatever

I would do this deal but I’m just not a fan of delaying the rebuild. We should stop selling pieces that we can be using to compete with for futures. I would do it but there better be a Hertl extended or Eichel trade in the works with the assets acquired and more futures Ottawa has

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Aug. 4, 2021 at 8:20 a.m.

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EDM
Brown, Connor
Forsberg, Anton
Additional Details:
With a couple of potential GENERATIONAL talents at the top of the 2023 draft acquiring picks for that season is good business for Ottawa. They get Edmontons 2nd best forward prospect in Lavoie who could see NHL time as soon as this season. A right shot defensive prospect in Kemp. And a decent goalie prospect who had a tough 1st pro season in limited action this past season. The sens also get themselves a protector for all their youth in Kassian for the foreseeable future. He may be a bit expensive but the sens have over 20mil in cap space. This deal only adds 3.2 mil to their cap, and Koskinen is only 1 year long.
OTT
Kassian, Zack
Koskinen, Mikko
Lavoie, Raphael
Kemp, Philip
Rodrigue, Olivier
2023 1st round pick (EDM)
2023 4th round pick (EDM)
2024 2nd round pick (EDM)
2024 3rd round pick (EDM)

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Keep Kemp, Rodrigue, and the 2024 3rd, and retain 50% on Kassian. Kassian at $3.2MM for three years is too much, I'd rather have Byron, and I don't want Byron, lol.

1st and Lavoie for Brown
4th and Koskinen for taking Koskinen's cap and Forsberg
2nd and Kassian at 50% retained for taking his cap

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Aug. 4, 2021 at 8:35 a.m.

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Also id rather watch a Hyman-McDavid-Connor Brown 1st line

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Aug. 4, 2021 at 8:57 a.m.

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Dallas isn't taking Stalock back in that deal. They already have 2 (possibly 3) other goalies after moving Khudobin, so they aren't taking another goalie in return. They also can't take any kind of cap hit in return either, if they want to get back below the cap.

Aug. 4, 2021 at 9:06 a.m.

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Edited Aug. 4, 2021 at 9:11 a.m.

Quoting: TheMooterus

Dallas isn't taking Stalock back in that deal. They already have 2 (possibly 3) other goalies after moving Khudobin, so they aren't taking another goalie in return. They also can't take any kind of cap hit in return either, if they want to get back below the cap.

Stalock and his cap can be ENTIRELY buried in the AHL. Tullio is a prospect. If Bishop cant return and Jake.O cant get the job done. Stalock is a serviceable enough backup who has playoff experience as recently as 2019-20. Read the trade description before responding incorrectly to what i already covered. Dallas saves 3.3 million in this deal after sending stalock to the minors. They take on zero cap while shedding Khudobin

Aug. 4, 2021 at 9:18 a.m.

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I don't think Ottawa should be trading C.Brown, and I don't think they should be adding players who make them worse on ice for assets. They aren't at that stage in the rebuild anymore.

Aug. 4, 2021 at 9:26 a.m.

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Edited Aug. 4, 2021 at 9:32 a.m.

Quoting: sensibleguy

EDM
Brown, Connor
Forsberg, Anton
Additional Details:
With a couple of potential GENERATIONAL talents at the top of the 2023 draft acquiring picks for that season is good business for Ottawa. They get Edmontons 2nd best forward prospect in Lavoie who could see NHL time as soon as this season. A right shot defensive prospect in Kemp. And a decent goalie prospect who had a tough 1st pro season in limited action this past season. The sens also get themselves a protector for all their youth in Kassian for the foreseeable future. He may be a bit expensive but the sens have over 20mil in cap space. This deal only adds 3.2 mil to their cap, and Koskinen is only 1 year long.
OTT
Kassian, Zack
Koskinen, Mikko
Lavoie, Raphael
Kemp, Philip
Rodrigue, Olivier
2023 1st round pick (EDM)
2023 4th round pick (EDM)
2024 2nd round pick (EDM)
2024 3rd round pick (EDM)

=====

Keep Kemp, Rodrigue, and the 2024 3rd, and retain 50% on Kassian. Kassian at $3.2MM for three years is too much, I'd rather have Byron, and I don't want Byron, lol.

1st and Lavoie for Brown
4th and Koskinen for taking Koskinen's cap and Forsberg
2nd and Kassian at 50% retained for taking his cap

I overpaid to entirely rid the team of the cap space and would prefer that route with Nurse looking at a big raise and the need to have that space available. Ottawa has almost 30 mil in cap space. Id think theyd be silly not to do. Honestly it pains me to do it. Add another piece or 2 and it may be good enough to land Eichel, but that cap hit wouldn't fit i dont think. So i like reuniting Brown with McDavid. Plus the guys insane short handed

Aug. 4, 2021 at 9:30 a.m.

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Quoting: Claesson4Norris

I don't think Ottawa should be trading C.Brown, and I don't think they should be adding players who make them worse on ice for assets. They aren't at that stage in the rebuild anymore.

Theyre closer to rebuild stage then cup contender. By the time theyre a cup contender Browns likely gone anyway. 2 years to UFA. Why not gain assets now while still not there. They could probably take the entire package from Edmonton and add a piece or 2 and flip it to Buffalo for Eichel. Someone Edmonton cant fit in their budget but Ottawa could

Aug. 4, 2021 at 9:39 a.m.

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Quoting: Drai_By_shooting

Stalock and his cap can be ENTIRELY buried in the AHL. Tullio is a prospect. If Bishop cant return and Jake.O cant get the job done. Stalock is a serviceable enough backup who has playoff experience as recently as 2019-20. Read the trade description before responding incorrectly to what i already covered. Dallas saves 3.3 million in this deal after sending stalock to the minors. They take on zero cap while shedding Khudobin

Keep the goalie, send a pick.

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Aug. 4, 2021 at 9:47 a.m.

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Quoting: Drai_By_shooting

I overpaid to entirely rid the team of the cap space and would prefer that route with Nurse looking at a big raise and the need to have that space available. Ottawa has almost 30 mil in cap space. Id think theyd be silly not to do. Honestly it pains me to do it. Add another piece or 2 and it may be good enough to land Eichel, but that cap hit wouldn't fit i dont think. So i like reuniting Brown with McDavid. Plus the guys insane short handed

I get what you were doing, but Kassian at $3.2MM for three years is a deal breaker, as well as Ottawa not needing Kemp or Rodrigue. Taking Kassian at his full cap hit stalls Ottawa's rebuild, it's dead cap for three seasons. Ay 50% retained, Ottawa can retain 50%, keeping the dead cap at 800K, and Kassian might appear to be worth $800K to some team.

$3.2MM too much
$1.6MM palitable
$800K standard depth

If you want Brown, pay the Brown price and keep Koskinen and Kassian. If you need the cap space, pay the Koskinen price. If you need to unload Kassian, retain or go elsewhere.

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Aug. 4, 2021 at 9:52 a.m.

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Edited Aug. 4, 2021 at 10:14 a.m.

Quoting: sensibleguy

I get what you were doing, but Kassian at $3.2MM for three years is a deal breaker, as well as Ottawa not needing Kemp or Rodrigue. Taking Kassian at his full cap hit stalls Ottawa's rebuild, it's dead cap for three seasons. Ay 50% retained, Ottawa can retain 50%, keeping the dead cap at 800K, and Kassian might appear to be worth $800K to some team.

$3.2MM too much
$1.6MM palitable
$800K standard depth

If you want Brown, pay the Brown price and keep Koskinen and Kassian. If you need the cap space, pay the Koskinen price. If you need to unload Kassian, retain or go elsewhere.

This was my answer to another responder.

Theyre closer to rebuild stage then cup contender. By the time theyre a cup contender Browns likely gone anyway. 2 years to UFA. Why not gain assets now while still not there. They could probably take the entire package from Edmonton and add a piece or 2 and flip it to Buffalo for Eichel. Someone Edmonton cant fit in their budget but Ottawa could.

I'll add, Buffalo is in full rebuild and getting rid of a 50mill contract for 14 mil total would not likely be a deal breaker. The entire Edmonton package(dump) would be gone. This would no longer be stalling Ottawa

Hypothetically lets say Pinto and a 2024 1st.
If Buffalo called Ottawa and said will give you Eichel for Brown, Pinto, a 2024 1st and Backup A.Forsberg. Would they do it, should they do it. My answer would be yes all day. Buffalo is also short on Goalies and Goalie prospects (Rodrigue) as well as right shot D prospects (Kemp). Now just add Pinto and the 1st to the Edmonton package and Buffalo may think they struck Gold

Aug. 4, 2021 at 10:11 a.m.

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Quoting: Drai_By_shooting

This was my answer to another responder.

Theyre closer to rebuild stage then cup contender. By the time theyre a cup contender Browns likely gone anyway. 2 years to UFA. Why not gain assets now while still not there. They could probably take the entire package from Edmonton and add a piece or 2 and flip it to Buffalo for Eichel. Someone Edmonton cant fit in their budget but Ottawa could.

I'll add, Buffalo is in full rebuild and getting rid of a 50mill contract for 14 mil total would not likely be a deal breaker. The entire Edmonton package(dump) would be gone. This would no longer be stalling Ottawa

Yeah I saw the response to @Claesson4Norris, and he's right that Ottawa doesn't need to trade Brown (he wrote should, I changed to need), and they definitely don't need to add dead assets, but I would if it was worth it and they could be flipped, but it's easier said than done.

Ottawa isn't keeping Kassian for three seasons at $3.2MM per
Ottawa isn't retaining for three seasons at $1.6MM per
Ottawa isn't acquiring Kassian unless he's 50% retained
Retain or go somewhere else, everything else is moot if you don't retain on Kassian

Trading Brown is fine only because Lavoie fits Ottawa's timeline better, but he's a downgrade from Brown, who's under appreciated for everything he does. Lavoie is a good prospect, but he's trending as a middle6 winger, which is good, but Brown is that already, and an above average one at that. Brown fit's Edmonton's timeline, he's a good target to acquire.

1st and Lavoie for Brown is a solid deal for both teams.

Aug. 4, 2021 at 10:20 a.m.

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Quoting: sensibleguy

Yeah I saw the response to @Claesson4Norris, and he's right that Ottawa doesn't need to trade Brown (he wrote should, I changed to need), and they definitely don't need to add dead assets, but I would if it was worth it and they could be flipped, but it's easier said than done.

Ottawa isn't keeping Kassian for three seasons at $3.2MM per
Ottawa isn't retaining for three seasons at $1.6MM per
Ottawa isn't acquiring Kassian unless he's 50% retained
Retain or go somewhere else, everything else is moot if you don't retain on Kassian

Trading Brown is fine only because Lavoie fits Ottawa's timeline better, but he's a downgrade from Brown, who's under appreciated for everything he does. Lavoie is a good prospect, but he's trending as a middle6 winger, which is good, but Brown is that already, and an above average one at that. Brown fit's Edmonton's timeline, he's a good target to acquire.

1st and Lavoie for Brown is a solid deal for both teams.

I agree its a solid deal for both but Edmonton is desperate to move money as well in the deal. So yes to your earlier deals, the 1st, 4th, Lavoie and Koskinen for Brown and Forsberg is same money moving both ways. 4.5 total. Id do this, and without blinking. Now how to dump all of Kassian lmao

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Aug. 4, 2021 at 12:20 p.m.

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Quoting: Drai_By_shooting

I overpaid to entirely rid the team of the cap space and would prefer that route with Nurse looking at a big raise and the need to have that space available. Ottawa has almost 30 mil in cap space. Id think theyd be silly not to do. Honestly it pains me to do it. Add another piece or 2 and it may be good enough to land Eichel, but that cap hit wouldn't fit i dont think. So i like reuniting Brown with McDavid. Plus the guys insane short handed

An important thing to keep in mind is that much of that cap space will be eaten up by Tkachuk and Batherson signing. 30m will likely almost be cut in half by the time the season starts.

Another thing is, the kids dont need a protector/enforcer. Ottawa led the league in fighting majors this year. There are already multiple guys willing to step up and drop the gloves when needed. Kassian isn't a terrible player and he can certainly fill a role but 3.2m for another 3 seasons is a little too rich.

Also, like you mentioned earlier, Brown might not fit Ottawa's timeline as well as Lavoie but with two years left on his deal there is zero rush to move him. He's signed to a decent dollar figure and could potentially prove himself to be even more valuable going into the last year of his deal. Brown to Edmonton could make a ton of sense but I'd really rather see the trade kept separate from a cap dump. Lavoie is a nice piece and the 1st is great even though realistically its going to be mid to late. Kemp and Rodrigue dont move the needle but there are some good pieces there. I'm sure theres a deal to be had somewhere.

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Aug. 4, 2021 at 12:25 p.m.

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Quoting: TheBoyDuddus

An important thing to keep in mind is that much of that cap space will be eaten up by Tkachuk and Batherson signing. 30m will likely almost be cut in half by the time the season starts.

Another thing is, the kids dont need a protector/enforcer. Ottawa led the league in fighting majors this year. There are already multiple guys willing to step up and drop the gloves when needed. Kassian isn't a terrible player and he can certainly fill a role but 3.2m for another 3 seasons is a little too rich.

Also, like you mentioned earlier, Brown might not fit Ottawa's timeline as well as Lavoie but with two years left on his deal there is zero rush to move him. He's signed to a decent dollar figure and could potentially prove himself to be even more valuable going into the last year of his deal. Brown to Edmonton could make a ton of sense but I'd really rather see the trade kept separate from a cap dump. Lavoie is a nice piece and the 1st is great even though realistically its going to be mid to late. Kemp and Rodrigue dont move the needle but there are some good pieces there. I'm sure theres a deal to be had somewhere.

Drake and Brady arent getting 15 mil between them. 10 maybe. But there definitely is a deal somewhere in there. Soooo many people with so many different opinions. Some sens fans love it. I have another post out , much similar trade, where again, some love it and some dont. You cant please everyone lol. If you could Duncan Keith would of come with 50% retention and a high pick with Edmonton sending next to nothing to Chicago

Aug. 4, 2021 at 3:01 p.m.

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Quoting: Drai_By_shooting

Drake and Brady arent getting 15 mil between them. 10 maybe. But there definitely is a deal somewhere in there. Soooo many people with so many different opinions. Some sens fans love it. I have another post out , much similar trade, where again, some love it and some dont. You cant please everyone lol. If you could Duncan Keith would of come with 50% retention and a high pick with Edmonton sending next to nothing to Chicago

I said almost half, if Brady get 7m and Batherson gets 5m then youre already at 12m without Mete being signed. Point stands that theyre going to take up a significant amount of that space you're referencing. The divide with Sens fans stems from fans being torn between one more year of tanking for Wright and trying to compete right now. Management has made it clear what direction theyre trying to take the team. The Keith comparison is interesting though because Edmonton, as the team looking to buy, ended up with the short end of the stick. I wouldnt be surprised if they ended up in a similar situation looking to buy again on Brown.

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