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An interesting proposal

Created by: Beau18
Team: 2021-22 New York Islanders
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 27, 2021
Published: Aug. 27, 2021
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If Lou Lamoriello would start a rebuild due to our aging core, this would be an ideal situation.


BOS - Nelson for moore coyle lysell and a 1st
A 1st to move coyles monster contract and moore who is a cap dump. Lysell is given up for nelson.
For the bruins - as theyre trying to win now, getting a great 2 way 2C on a reasonable deal is a win.
For the islanders - going into a rebuild, nelson is going to get back a decent return. Try to maximize on that by picking up the necessary cap dump as well.

EDM - varlamov for tullio turris koskinen and a 1st
Tullio to take on the cap dumps of turris and koskinen. A 1st is moved for varlamov.
For the oilers - they get a top goalie for 2 years at a reasonable cap hit. Between varly and smith they should have solid goaltending the next 2 years.
For the islanders - varlys been a great signing but he doesnt help us in a rebuild. Again we maximize his value by taking the cap dumps.

MTL - pageau for poehling byron a 1st and a 2nd
A 2nd to take byrons cap hit. Poehling and a 1st to acquire pageau.
For the canadiens - they get a middle 6 C who can play do everything. He replaces danault at a lower aav while allowing the coaching staff to move kotkaniemi along however fast or otherwise they want.
For the islanders - getting a 1st plus a solid bottom 6 C prospect back is getting decent value for jg. And then its supplemented by taking MTLs cap back.
*If there is no need for MTL to move cap back, take out byron and the 2nd.*

TOR - pulock retained for amirov dermott and 2 1sts
Dermott for the retention. Amirov and the 2 1sts for pulock. Comes with a 7×7 extension.
For the maple leafs - they get a legit number 1 dman at an amazing cap hit. Its based off the jones trade. Boqvist>amirov, CHI 1sts>TOR 1sts and pulock>jones so therefore theres no pick swap (44 for 32) or a 6th round pick going to toronto.
For the islanders - it hurts to lose pulock but by the time we come out of the rebuild hes gonna be on the back end of his career. His biggest weakness right now - foot speed - is going to be the 1st thing to decline with age. Get something big in return while hes still extremely valuable.

NYR - barzal and a 2nd for lafreniere schneider strome and a 1st
Strome for a 2nd to clear cap for NYR. Barzal returns laf schneider and a 1st.
For the rangers - they get a top 5 1-2 punch at center. While they werent willing to give laf for eichel its a completely different situation imo. Barzal isnt gonna be out for at least half the season. He also doesnt have any long term injury concerns. Hes making 3 million less than eichel while the rangers go through a cap crunch and he wont get more than eichel long term. Hes not just in the division, but coming from a rival.
For the islanders - as much as i would hate to move barzal to the rangers, theyre the best team with the need and the assets to trade him to.

MIN - lee and strome for rask zuccarello wallstedt and a 1st
This one i was a bit confused about. Whats zuccarellos value? Is he a cap dump? But he still puts up points. But does he have value? Bc he is on the back end of his career, 21-22 will be his age 34 season. He still has 3 years left at a pretty big number. He also has an nmc. Therefore i left his value at net 0. I only moved him to make room for lee. Lee for wallstedt and zuccarello. Strome for rask and a 1st.
For the wild - they get a rental to play 1C before the buyouts cap hit skyrockets. They also get a legit top line winger to play with kaprizov. Hes better and younger than zuccarello and would be a great addition to an already good team.
For the islanders - lee agrees to waive to his hometown team. We get a nice prospect for him as well as a solid return for strome. We take rask back to add value.

SEA - bailey for a 2nd
For the kraken - it looks like theyre trying to compete and they have a big shortage of top 6 forwards. They get a sllid tl2 way winger who plays every aspect of the game right. He also elevates his game in the playoffs. He should be a nice addition both on and off the ice.
For the islanders - it would be tough to see bails play his 1000th game in another uniform but sometimes you gotta make the tough decision.

COL - beauvillier for olausson a 1st and compher
Compher could be taken out if they want, imo in this deal he has no value.
For the avalanche - their biggest strength is now becoming a weakness. Their depth is shot to hell and they dont have 4 top 6 wingers anymore. They pick up a young really solid winger. He fits colorado perfectly and they dont lose any major part of the team.
For the islanders - we get a prospect that i really like plus a future 1st.

WSH - martin for hagelin a 2nd a 4th and a 7th
Martin for a 4th and 7th. Hagelin for a 2nd.
For the capitals - with everyone in the metro (specifically nyr) gearing up for a big tom wilson war, washington brings in reinforcements. They re-sign chara and get martin who is a solid 4th liner. They move out hagelins cap to help them fit everyone in.
For the islanders - pick up a cap dump. Plus we sell of a 30+yo 4th liner thats not gonna help us anymore for a couple of picks.

STL - mayfield for scandella and a 1st
For the blues - they get a solid top 4 dman on a great contract while shedding some bad cap for 3 years.
For the islanders - between the value of mayfields contract plus the cap dump of scandella, we're able to get back a 1st round pick.

SJS - panik for a 3rd
For the sharks - theyve said theyre trying to contend so they get a very solid bottom 6 winger. Before last season he had 4 straight 30 point seasons (19-20 he was on pace for 30 the other 3 he actually hit it) plus hes above average defensively. Getting a guy like that at 2×1.375 is a very solid deal.
For the islanders - get a 3rd round pick for a bottom 6er who doesnt help them.

CAR - clutterbuck retained for a 3rd
For the hurricanes - they get a very solid bottom 6er to add to a very good team. Hes not gonna put up a ton of points but hes a great pker hes very good defensively and he hits everything in an opponents jersey.
For the islanders - we have to retain on cal but a bottom 6 rental returns a decent pick.

DAL - a 2nd and a 3rd for stankoven
For the stars - they flip a 2nd rounder in a weak draft for a 2nd and a 3rd in much stronger drafts.
For the islanders - we get a guy i really like thats all.
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
3$875,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$1,000,000
3$1,000,000
3$1,000,000
5$5,000,000
Trades
1.
2.
NYI
  1. Koskinen, Mikko
  2. Tullio, Tyler [Reserve List]
  3. Turris, Kyle
  4. 2022 1st round pick (EDM)
3.
NYI
  1. Byron, Paul
  2. Poehling, Ryan
  3. 2022 2nd round pick (MTL)
  4. 2023 1st round pick (MTL)
4.
NYI
  1. Amirov, Rodion
  2. Dermott, Travis
  3. 2022 1st round pick (TOR)
  4. 2023 1st round pick (TOR)
TOR
  1. Pulock, Ryan ($2,500,000 retained)
5.
NYR
  1. Barzal, Mathew
  2. 2022 2nd round pick (COL)
6.
NYI
  1. Rask, Victor
  2. Wallstedt, Jesper [Reserve List]
  3. Zuccarello, Mats
  4. 2023 1st round pick (MIN)
7.
NYI
  1. 2023 2nd round pick (WPG)
8.
NYI
  1. Compher, J.T.
  2. Olausson, Oskar
  3. 2023 1st round pick (COL)
COL
9.
NYI
  1. Hagelin, Carl
  2. 2022 2nd round pick (WPG)
  3. 2022 4th round pick (WSH)
  4. 2022 7th round pick (WSH)
10.
NYI
  1. Scandella, Marco
  2. 2022 1st round pick (STL)
11.
NYI
  1. 2023 3rd round pick (SJS)
12.
NYI
  1. 2022 3rd round pick (CAR)
CAR
  1. Clutterbuck, Cal ($1,750,000 retained)
13.
NYI
  1. Stankoven, Logan [Reserve List]
DAL
  1. 2022 3rd round pick (CAR)
  2. 2023 2nd round pick (WPG)
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2022
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2023
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2024
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$66,939,188$1,365,854$4,290,000$14,560,812
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,850,000$3M)
LW, RW
RFA - 2
Logo of the Minnesota Wild
$2,000,000$2,000,000
C
UFA - 1
Logo of the New York Islanders
$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$537,500$538K)
RW
RFA - 2
Logo of the Minnesota Wild
$6,000,000$6,000,000
RW, LW
NMC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Boston Bruins
$5,250,000$5,250,000
C, RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 5
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$3,500,000$3,500,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the New York Islanders
$1,000,000$1,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$1,650,000$1,650,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the New York Islanders
$3,000,000$3,000,000
RW, LW, C
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$750,000$750,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the New York Islanders
$1,000,000$1,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the New York Islanders
$1,000,000$1,000,000
LW, RW, C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the New York Islanders
$5,750,000$5,750,000
LD
UFA - 8
Logo of the New York Islanders
$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$537,500$538K)
RD
RFA - 1
Logo of the New York Islanders
$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
UFA - 3
Logo of the New York Islanders
$842,500$842,500 (Performance Bonus$32,500$32K)
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,500,000$1,500,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$4,500,000$4,500,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the New York Islanders
$842,500$842,500 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
LD
RFA - 2
Logo of the St. Louis Blues
$3,275,000$3,275,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the New York Islanders
$750,000$750,000 (Performance Bonus$250,000$250K)
LD/RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$3,400,000$3,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the New York Islanders
$6,000,000$6,000,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Washington Capitals
$2,750,000$2,750,000
LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Boston Bruins
$2,750,000$2,750,000
LD
UFA - 2
Logo of the New York Islanders
$725,000$725,000
LD
UFA - 1
Taxi Squad
Logo of the New York Islanders
$2,500,000$2,500,000 ($1,375,000$1M$1,375,000$1M)
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the New York Islanders
$1,000,000$1,000,000 ($0$0$0$0)
LW
UFA - 1

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Aug. 27, 2021 at 4:26 p.m.
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@Beau18 when every teams entire fan base is telling you that your trades are bad it is time to give up the argument. You made a bad ACGM, so what it happens to us all. Time to let it go and move on.
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Aug. 27, 2021 at 4:27 p.m.
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Quoting: Beau18
If he was a good 3C he wouldnt have taken a 2 way deal. As for the drafts, wright savoie lambert just to name a few. And you should probably brush up on your hockey knowledge considering youre talking about the 23 draft and didnt mention michkov. I mean talk about making yourself look pathetic.


I didn't list the entire draft class either!
Aug. 27, 2021 at 4:32 p.m.
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Quoting: Campabee
Beau18 when every teams entire fan base is telling you that your trades are bad it is time to give up the argument. You made a bad ACGM, so what it happens to us all. Time to let it go and move on.


Lmao youre the only delusional one here. His player card had NA by every category bc he cant make the team but he has 5 points in 28 gp. Thats not 3C caliber at all. In fact its barely 4th line quality.
Aug. 27, 2021 at 4:35 p.m.
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Hehe no. Varlamovs been a top 5 goalie 2 years running. Hes not a rental but its not a long term commitment. He easily gets a 1st by himself. Since edmonton cant afford him atm i took the cap dump in one big deal. If you think its gonna be koskinen and a 1st for varly youre very mistaken.


Then send him somewhere that can afford him cause that deal is insane to even begin considering.
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Aug. 27, 2021 at 4:42 p.m.
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Quoting: Beau18
Lmao youre the only delusional one here. His player card had NA by every category bc he cant make the team but he has 5 points in 28 gp. Thats not 3C caliber at all. In fact its barely 4th line quality.


I never said you were delusional, I said you made a bad ACGM. Poehling did not have a great start to his pro career, there is no denying it but he has turned the corner and had 25 points in 28 games in Laval this passed season. Just cause some players take longer to develop does not mean that they will not hit their ceiling, all it means is that they are not as far along in their development as someone else. Couturier had the same PPG as KK does through his first 3 years in the NHL does that mean that Philly should have given up on him? Pageau is a good 3C (I wouldn't say the best but he is still good), Poehling has the ability to become that as well. So why do we need to add a 1st and not just wait one season to see if Poehling does hit that level?
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Aug. 27, 2021 at 4:45 p.m.
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The comparison is very good.


It’s way too much for a rental
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Aug. 27, 2021 at 4:47 p.m.
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Quoting: Timmah007
Here’s the aspect people need to start realizing if wanting oilers first rounder for Varmalov that’s fine but in order to get that as the return need to accept cap has to go back or the deal can’t happen at all.

Yeah, I'm thinking he should drop Tullio and Turris (who can be buried in the minors with a small cap penalty), just go Koskinen + 1st for Varlamov.

Quoting: Beau18
Hehe no. Varlamovs been a top 5 goalie 2 years running. Hes not a rental but its not a long term commitment. He easily gets a 1st by himself. Since edmonton cant afford him atm i took the cap dump in one big deal. If you think its gonna be koskinen and a 1st for varly youre very mistaken.

Here's the thing though - the delta between Koskinen and Varlamov isn't as big as you seem to think. Over the past 2 years, with normal usage, Koskinen posted a .916 save percentage - not too far off Varlamov's .921. Koskinen isn't the cap dump that most on here seem to think.
Aug. 27, 2021 at 4:52 p.m.
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Quoting: mauston_atthews
It’s way too much for a rental


If you wouldve read the description you wouldve known that hes extended in this acgm
Aug. 27, 2021 at 4:53 p.m.
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Yeah, I'm thinking he should drop Tullio and Turris (who can be buried in the minors with a small cap penalty), just go Koskinen + 1st for Varlamov.


Here's the thing though - the delta between Koskinen and Varlamov isn't as big as you seem to think. Over the past 2 years, with normal usage, Koskinen posted a .916 save percentage - not too far off Varlamov's .921. Koskinen isn't the cap dump that most on here seem to think.


Koskinen is most certainly a cap dump. And if thats the counter lou walks away.
Aug. 27, 2021 at 4:57 p.m.
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Yeah, I'm thinking he should drop Tullio and Turris (who can be buried in the minors with a small cap penalty), just go Koskinen + 1st for Varlamov.


Here's the thing though - the delta between Koskinen and Varlamov isn't as big as you seem to think. Over the past 2 years, with normal usage, Koskinen posted a .916 save percentage - not too far off Varlamov's .921. Koskinen isn't the cap dump that most on here seem to think.


Having not watched much Eastern Conference I can't say for certain but it just comes off that Varlamov is more reliable than Koskinen. That said Varlamov is coming off of a very good season that was played behind one of the best defensive structures in the league, can't imagine he would put up the same numbers with the Oilers high event hockey. Overall, I would prefer a Smith/Varlamov tandem to Smith/Koskinen... butterfly effect potentially costs us Skinner as I believe he has to clear waivers next year and he would be a clear #3.
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Aug. 27, 2021 at 5:12 p.m.
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Quoting: Beau18
If you wouldve read the description you wouldve known that hes extended in this acgm


It’s still too much for a player they don’t really need
Aug. 27, 2021 at 5:19 p.m.
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Quoting: Beau18
Koskinen is most certainly a cap dump. And if thats the counter lou walks away.


I'm not sure it's worth it from Edmonton's viewpoint, I was just suggesting it as a slightly more realistic ask. Is the upgrade from .916 to .921 plus an additional year worth a 1st? I'm not sure it is - and that's before considering Varlamov played in front of one of the better defensive teams in the league. Ergo, at 5v5 over the past 2 seasons:

Varlamov: 29.07 SA/60 [7.31 HDSA/60]
Koskinen: 32.34 SA/60 [8.50 HDSA/60]

Look, I'm not saying Koskinen is a better goalie or even equal to Varlamov, because I don't believe he is. What I'm simply questioning whether the difference between the two is a 1st round pick in a very deep draft. You can spout whatever adjectives you like, but I'd rather look at the facts.
Aug. 27, 2021 at 5:20 p.m.
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Having not watched much Eastern Conference I can't say for certain but it just comes off that Varlamov is more reliable than Koskinen. That said Varlamov is coming off of a very good season that was played behind one of the best defensive structures in the league, can't imagine he would put up the same numbers with the Oilers high event hockey. Overall, I would prefer a Smith/Varlamov tandem to Smith/Koskinen... butterfly effect potentially costs us Skinner as I believe he has to clear waivers next year and he would be a clear #3.

I 100% agree. I'm just not sure its enough of an upgrade to warrant a 1st round pick.
Aug. 27, 2021 at 5:22 p.m.
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Quoting: CD282
Yeah, I'm thinking he should drop Tullio and Turris (who can be buried in the minors with a small cap penalty), just go Koskinen + 1st for Varlamov.


Here's the thing though - the delta between Koskinen and Varlamov isn't as big as you seem to think. Over the past 2 years, with normal usage, Koskinen posted a .916 save percentage - not too far off Varlamov's .921. Koskinen isn't the cap dump that most on here seem to think.


Ya i agree on the change you suggested but I wouldn’t consider doing anything until deadline see if it’s a problem worth investing a first round pick on. Really not into idea of throwing that pick at another older goalie who is far more likely to fall off the tracks rather than show continuous improvement.
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Aug. 27, 2021 at 5:34 p.m.
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No way from boston.
Aug. 27, 2021 at 5:59 p.m.
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Quoting: Beau18
He gained value by going from 2.75 to 1.375. I know youre pissed yzerman got fleeced but thats what happened.


I'm pretty sure Yzerman did not get fleeced in that Leddy trade at all. He got a top 4 defenceman which we needed and got rid of a useless roster player who is worth nothing even half retained for a second round pick. I'm pretty sure if Yzerman wants to trade Leddy at the deadline he would probably get back the same if not better return for him with salary retention. But for chance they resign him and he fills a roll for the next few years while still being a very viable defence option for us. Either way I don't think Detroit got fleeced at all and your view of that trade is about as skewed as your view on all these trades.
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Aug. 27, 2021 at 6:41 p.m.
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Nelson Career P/GP - 0.54
Coyle Career P/GP - 0.48

^Over 82 games that's a difference of 5 points a year. Nelson also makes $6 million to Coyle's $5.25 million a year.

Nelson's top 3 linemates over the last 3 years - Beauvillier / Lee / Bailey
Coyle's top 3 linemates over the last 3 years - DeBrusk / Bjork / Parise

The deal you have here isn't even close. We can put more in the AHL and save a little over $1 million a year. No way in hell is Boston giving up Lysell for Nelson when he cost more than Coyle and while slightly better, isn't a massive upgrade.
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Aug. 27, 2021 at 8:23 p.m.
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Nelson Career P/GP - 0.54
Coyle Career P/GP - 0.48

^Over 82 games that's a difference of 5 points a year. Nelson also makes $6 million to Coyle's $5.25 million a year.

Nelson's top 3 linemates over the last 3 years - Beauvillier / Lee / Bailey
Coyle's top 3 linemates over the last 3 years - DeBrusk / Bjork / Parise

The deal you have here isn't even close. We can put more in the AHL and save a little over $1 million a year. No way in hell is Boston giving up Lysell for Nelson when he cost more than Coyle and while slightly better, isn't a massive upgrade.


Lmao Nelson is slightly better than Coyle. You are a clown.
Aug. 27, 2021 at 8:53 p.m.
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Lmao Nelson is slightly better than Coyle. You are a clown.


Career numbers put them at similar production players and Nelson over the last 3yrs has easily had the better linemates. Maybe instead of trying to insult me you could defend your trade or tell me what makes Nelson so much better then Coyle. You call Coyle a monster contract, but he makes less than Nelson. Their career p/gp again are around the same (not a significant difference over 82) and they are the same age. You want to have a hockey talk then let's talk. You want to try and throw insults because you can't defend your stance, then I'll gladly add you to the ignore list with the rest of them who do the same thing.
Aug. 28, 2021 at 12:32 a.m.
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Absolutely no way Boston makes that trade
Aug. 28, 2021 at 1:38 a.m.
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Quoting: Campabee
So let me get this straight, Montreal gives up a good 2 way 3C who is 6 years younger and 4.25 Mil cheaper + a 2023 1st round pick in the deepest draft since 2015 in which the 32nd pick over all could turn out to be better than Pageau? Yeah Montreal is most likely not moving their next 2 first round picks unless it is for something truly elite.


and if we wanted this we should have just resigned daneault, pageau is better than daneault but isnt worth that
 
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