Three team trade with ducks and pens part 1

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Created by: NucksnOilers

Team: 2021-22 Edmonton Oilers

Initial Creation Date: Sep. 16, 2021

Published: Sep. 16, 2021

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

Pens get: John Gibson, Tyler Benson
Oilers get: Tristan Jarry, Rickard Rakell
Ducks get: Pens 2022 First, Pens 2022 Third, Phillip Broberg,Mikko Koskinen,Edmonton 2022 Second, Edmonton 2023 Third

Edmonton gets rakell to make their team super offensively based and make their depth great they also take a chance on Jarry
Pens get their franchise goalie when Crosby and malkin are still in good shape they also get benson to help with future offensive depth.
Ducks get a first a former top ten pick a second and two thirds to help the rebuild

Free Agent Signings

RFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Yamamoto, Kailer		1	$2,250,000

Trades

EDM

ANA

Broberg, Philip
Koskinen, Mikko
2022 2nd round pick (EDM)
2023 3rd round pick (EDM)

EDM

Jarry, Tristan
2022 1st round pick (PIT)
2023 3rd round pick (PIT)

PIT

Gibson, John

EDM

ANA

2022 1st round pick (PIT)
2023 3rd round pick (PIT)

EDM

PIT

Benson, Tyler

Buyouts

James Neal: $1,916,667
Andrej Sekera: $1,500,000

Retained Salary Transactions

Milan Lucic: $750,000 (12.5%)

Buried

Kyle Turris: $525,000 ($1,650,000)
Josh Archibald: $375,000 ($1,500,000)
Kris Russell: $125,000 ($1,250,000)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2022
2023
2024

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
20	$81,500,000	$78,635,107	$669,339	$907,500	$2,864,893

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Hyman, Zach $5,500,000$5,500,000 RW, LW NMC UFA - 7	McDavid, Connor $12,500,000$12,500,000 C UFA - 5	Puljujärvi, Jesse $1,175,000$1,175,000 RW UFA - 1
Rakell, Rickard $2,463,139$2,463,139 RW, LW UFA - 1	Draisaitl, Leon $8,500,000$8,500,000 C, LW UFA - 4	Yamamoto, Kailer $2,250,000$2,250,000 RW RFA - 1
Foegele, Warren $2,750,000$2,750,000 LW, RW UFA - 3	Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan $5,125,000$5,125,000 LW, C NMC UFA - 8	Kassian, Zack $3,200,000$3,200,000 RW UFA - 3
Shore, Devin $850,000$850,000 LW, C, RW UFA - 2	McLeod, Ryan $834,167$834,167 ($57,500$58K) C RFA - 1	Ryan, Derek $1,250,000$1,250,000 C, RW UFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Nurse, Darnell $5,600,000$5,600,000 LD UFA - 1	Bouchard, Evan $863,333$863,333 ($850,000$850K) RD RFA - 2	Jarry, Tristan $3,500,000$3,500,000 G UFA - 2
Koekkoek, Slater $925,000$925,000 LD/RD UFA - 2	Barrie, Tyson $4,500,000$4,500,000 RD UFA - 3	Smith, Mike $2,200,000$2,200,000 G UFA - 2
Keith, Duncan $5,538,462$5,538,462 LD NMC UFA - 2	Ceci, Cody $3,250,000$3,250,000 RD UFA - 4

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
		Klefbom, Oscar $4,167,000$4,167,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 2

Sep. 16, 2021 at 2:13 p.m.

Ledge_And_Dairy

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Thats a hell of a good deal for Pittsburgh

Sep. 16, 2021 at 2:15 p.m.

NucksnOilers

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

Thats a hell of a good deal for Pittsburgh

There's a risk when it comes to Gibson as we haven't seen how he will do in front of a good team also is contract pays him 6 mil until he's 34

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Sep. 16, 2021 at 2:20 p.m.

Jamesy

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I don't see Edmonton giving up Broberg, probably just a first for a rental

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Sep. 16, 2021 at 2:22 p.m.

NucksnOilers

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Quoting: Jamesy

I don't see Edmonton giving up Broberg, probably just a first for a rental

Right now broberg doesn't look too good with his injuries so he is a real boom or bust player at this time even if he does get past the injury issues I only seem him as like an adam larsson type guy at most and would rather have a first in a stacked draft class.

Sep. 16, 2021 at 2:25 p.m.

Ledge_And_Dairy

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Quoting: Drshnuckels91

There's a risk when it comes to Gibson as we haven't seen how he will do in front of a good team also is contract pays him 6 mil until he's 34

That's kinda a stretch to call a risk

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Sep. 16, 2021 at 2:27 p.m.

NucksnOilers

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

That's kinda a stretch to call a risk

He is being paid 6 mil until he's 34 for a guy whos had around a 900. save percentage over the past 2 years until he is 34 now I do think he can flourish behind a strong Pittsburgh team but we don't know that for certain.

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Sep. 16, 2021 at 2:57 p.m.

tkecanuck341

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Anaheim is essentially an AHL team. If Vasilevskiy was their goaltender, he'd have a 900 SV% behind that team. Gibson is a top 5 goaltender in the NHL. He would cost significantly more to acquire.

As a Kings fan, it hurts for me to say that, but it's true.

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Sep. 16, 2021 at 3:15 p.m.

rpain

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Yeah, the Oilers don't do this. Not worth spending high value assets to add another forward piece. If a prospect like Broberg is moved it's to bring in a true defensive upgrade or starter.

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Sep. 16, 2021 at 4:04 p.m.

ConnorMcJesus

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Oilers are getting fleeced in this deal

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Sep. 16, 2021 at 4:10 p.m.

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CD282

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Quoting: Drshnuckels91

Right now broberg doesn't look too good with his injuries so he is a real boom or bust player at this time even if he does get past the injury issues I only seem him as like an adam larsson type guy at most and would rather have a first in a stacked draft class.

No he isn't. He's got a super high floor, the only question is where his ceiling is going to be. They won't trade him for rental Ricard (Nine Goal) Rakell, that's for damn sure.

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Sep. 16, 2021 at 4:11 p.m.

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CD282

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Quoting: tkecanuck341

Anaheim is essentially an AHL team. If Vasilevskiy was their goaltender, he'd have a 900 SV% behind that team. Gibson is a top 5 goaltender in the NHL. He would cost significantly more to acquire.

As a Kings fan, it hurts for me to say that, but it's true.

You don't understand how save percentage works, do you.

Gibson has faced similar shots/game as Koskinen has the past 2 years, with similar results. He's just not very good anymore - and he hasn't been for 2.5 seasons now.

Look it up.

Sep. 16, 2021 at 4:17 p.m.

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CD282

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

That's kinda a stretch to call a risk

16-17: .924
17-18: .926
1st half 18-19: .924
2nd half 18-19: .906 - below average
19-20: .904 - below average
20-21: .903 - below average

nhl.com/player/john-gibson

"Risk" is not a stretch at all. He's been below average for two and a half seasons now following injuries sustained in the 2018-19 campaign. He's essentially a cap dump at this point. Expecting someone to spend high-end assets on him in the hopes that he regains his form is delusional, IMO.

Sep. 16, 2021 at 4:18 p.m.

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Ledge_And_Dairy

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Quoting: CD282

We'll see how he does at the olympics, I feel like that will change a lot of opinions

Sep. 16, 2021 at 4:30 p.m.

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

We'll see how he does at the olympics, I feel like that will change a lot of opinions

I doubt he plays. Hellebuyck is the obvious choice for starter.

Sep. 16, 2021 at 5:17 p.m.

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tkecanuck341

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Quoting: CD282

The quality of those shots is significantly different with Tampa's defense playing in front of you instead of Anaheim's. Not all shots are considered equal.

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Sep. 16, 2021 at 5:46 p.m.

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Quoting: tkecanuck341

The quality of those shots is significantly different with Tampa's defense playing in front of you instead of Anaheim's. Not all shots are considered equal.

There are shot quality stats, you know. Over the past 2 years Gibson has faced similar number of High Danger shots as Mikko Koskinen (8.78/60 vs 8.50/60), but his HDSV% is well below the big Finn's (.814 vs .833).

https://naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20192020&thruseason=20202021&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=g&rate=y&team=ALL&pos=S&loc=B&toi=2750&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single&draftteam=ALL

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Sep. 16, 2021 at 5:58 p.m.

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tkecanuck341

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Quoting: CD282

There's no stat that can account for the fact that Vasilevskiy plays for the best team in the league, Koskinen plays for a playoff team (in the league's weakest division last season), and Anaheim plays for a perennial basement dweller. Save percentage, like GAA and Wins, is very much a team stat, not an individual one.

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Sep. 16, 2021 at 6:21 p.m.

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Quoting: tkecanuck341

I never compared Gibson to Vasilevskiy, that was you. I compared him to Koskinen and gave you the stats that show:

- they faced comparable number of HD shots, Koskinen had clearly better results
- Koskinen faced more 5v5 shots/60 with comparable results

He's just not a good goalie, no matter how you slice it. You can blame his team all you want, but good goalies can post good numbers behind poor defenses, and do all the time. Look at Hellebuyck, for instance.

Sep. 16, 2021 at 6:49 p.m.

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tkecanuck341

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Quoting: CD282

Winnipeg is also a playoff team.

Sep. 16, 2021 at 6:50 p.m.

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CD282

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Quoting: tkecanuck341

Winnipeg is also a playoff team.

For two reasons: a good offense and a great goalie. Anaheim has neither.

Sep. 16, 2021 at 6:55 p.m.

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CD282

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Quoting: tkecanuck341

Winnipeg is also a playoff team.

Quoting: CD282

For two reasons: a good offense and a great goalie. Anaheim has neither.

Shots against per GP, 2020-21
19. Anaheim: 30.6
20. Winnipeg: 30.6
21. Edmonton: 30.7

Goals against per GP, 2020-21
10. Winnipeg: 2.71
12. Edmonton: 2.75
23. Anaheim: 3.16

One of these is not like the other.

Sep. 16, 2021 at 6:58 p.m.

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CD282

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Quoting: CD282

The numbers for the previous year are even more pronounced: http://www.nhl.com/stats/teams?reportType=season&seasonFrom=20192020&seasonTo=20192020&gameType=2&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=a_goalsAgainstPerGame&page=0&pageSize=50

Sep. 16, 2021 at 7:04 p.m.

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tkecanuck341

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Quoting: CD282

Again, all shots are not equal, and shot quality is dramatically affected by the quality of the team playing in front of you. Winnipeg and Edmonton are both playoff teams (this season and last season). Anaheim was downright terrible in both seasons, finishing 27th in the league in 2019-20 and 30th in 2020-21.

If Koskinen put up those numbers playing for San Jose, then that would be different.

Sep. 17, 2021 at 8:01 a.m.

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CD282

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Quoting: tkecanuck341

Again, I already posted the shot quality numbers. And again, the reason the Ducks are so much worse than the Jets and Oilers is due to offense and goaltending, not defense. The Jets defense gave up the 2nd most high danger chances in the league over the past 2 seasons:

http://naturalstattrick.com/teamtable.php?fromseason=20192020&thruseason=20202021&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&rate=n&team=all&loc=B&gpf=410&fd=&td=

You keep spouting nonsense with no facts to back it up. The facts are that Gibson is NOT a good goalie anymore, he's a cap dump.

Sep. 17, 2021 at 1:15 p.m.

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tkecanuck341

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Quoting: CD282

You keep spouting stats with no common sense to back it up. Have you ever actually watched Gibson play, or are you just trying to moneypuck a goaltender?

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