I feel like the Avs would have to add at least one more pick they're getting a lot of value back

Take 2 out

Can you be more specific?

Like a 3rd for example? Or how about a prospect (eg. Kaut/Bowers/Ranta)?

You'd have to take out Stolarz. Even then the Avs probably have to add something like their 2022 3rd.

People get too hooked up on 1sts being the only option. The point is to get a 1st in value. Whether that be through draft picks, prospects, young roster players or a little of everything.

The fact that Colorado is offering only NEXT year 1st to boot, probably decreases the likelihood of it being accepted over someone else this year.

"There won't be many 1st's available at the deadline, given that four contenders in Vegas, Colorado, Florida, and Carolina (plus Chicago) have already traded their 2022 1st's." They have 2023 1sts just like Colorado does here though. Haha

Thanks for your feedback. 1st's obviously aren't the only option, but they tend to be valued higher than 'quantity over quality' packages involving lesser picks. A late 2nd and prospect is significantly less valuable than a 1st, just look at how much it costs to move up in the draft (eg. Ottawa paid two late 2nd's to move up to the mid 2nd round when they picked Kleven). There's a huge value difference between a late 1st and a late 2nd.

As for your last point, not sure why you're laughing. Less contenders having 1st's this year decreases the likelihood of sellers receiving 1st's. Not sure how you want to argue against that.

Yea exactly, I was thinking adding a guy like Kaut, Bowers or Foudy could get it done

Pick one of Manson Rakell & Stolarz for that would be more of what would get the deal done

With Stolarz in there, I think you'd have to add a prospect from among Beaucage, Bowers, Helleson, Kaut and Raanta. (As you can tell, I've listed them alphabetically because I have no clue about how they stand in respect to each other.)

Am I understanding you right that you think Stolarz is worth a 1st (if you take out Manson and Rakell)?

Not saying he is. Just saying I wouldn’t do both Manson and Rakell for Compher and a 23 1st

Therefore I just threw in the pick one

Neither Rakell or Manson have enough value at this point to return a 1st (with or without Compher).

I disagree but we shall see

This is just my personal opinion on them but I think most would agree.
Ranta, Helleson, Kaut are 1 tier. Bowers and Beaucage slightly below them. Helleson and Kaut are the safest with upside. Ranta the highest upside, but a lower floor than the 1st 2. Bowers maybe the highest floor with the lowest ceiling. Beaucage higher ceiling than Bowers, lower ceiling has the most elite tool of the group in his shot, but also the biggest hole in his game with his skating.

I didn't mean taking two 2nds instead necessarily. I meant that a prospect like Barron could also suffice over a 1st this year if lets say you don't have a 1st to use. Its doesn't have to be a first is the point. There are other things that can be put together that fill that "1st" value. So if no teams have a 1st to spend this year, that's fine, last years 1st round pick prospect will also do. Unless they drafted like super high in the round or something.

To the last point, you state that and then do the exact thing that your saying they won't be able to do. Can you not see the funny part in that? If Colorado can offer next years 1st, so can every other team then.

Anyways this is all to say, if the above was offered to countless teams across the league, they'd beat it IMHO. Not only is Colorado's 1st one of the least desirable 1sts because they're expected to be a team that goes far in the playoffs for the foreseeable future and Compher is not the type of player any team looking to offload players would want.

Thanks for the analysis and informative insight! I really appreciate it.

Thanks for your rebuttal

Makes sense re: the 'value of a 1st'. I guess it would depend on how another organization would value a prospect. For example, Arizona valued Timmins highly due to Alan Hepple (Avs former head scout) having joined Arizona, so the Avs offer of 1st + Timmins carried more weight than what Edmonton could offer.

Yes I do see the funny side with what you're saying. My point was simply that contenders as a whole are missing a few 1sts (these belong to non-playoff teams) which reduces the supply in the market overall, which will make 1st's in general carry more value. But yes of course any other team could trade a 2023 1st as well.

As for your last point, I guess we'll find out

That's a good summary, well put.

I'd agree with all of that, except the bolded part. I think the Avs likely see a bigger gap in value between the Ranta/Helleson/Kaut tier and Bowers/Beaucage than just "slightly below them".

Bowers will be eligible for waivers in 6 months time and has yet to make his NHL debut which seems indicative that the Avs don't value him that highly - especially when the likes of Kaut and Ranta who are younger than him have been given several opportunities in the NHL.

Beaucage does have NHL skills (mainly his shot), but his poor skating make him a long-shot in the NHL, especially on a team like the Avs who play a very fast and relentless north-south skating style.

How teams value/evaluate other teams' prospects is interesting and difficult to gauge. Heard rumors that ANA is higher on Kaut than is COL. Would think Beaucage might have more value to a team that plays w/less than COL.

Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if Anaheim like Kaut, his best comparable in the NHL has always been Silfverberg imo who has done very well there. Kaut plays a very similar heavy two-way game as a complementary forward on a line and would fit Anaheim's style well.

Colorado are probably best off holding onto Beaucage and seeing if he can hit another level in the AHL over the course of the next 1-2 years or so. He's on an ELC until 2024 so they've got time to be patient. But long-term I don't see him being a fit for the style Colorado play, he'll probably end up being a trade-chip if he does well.

Bowers has been a hurt a bunch this year and tbh I would be very curious why he hasn’t gotten a shot especially considering the effusive praise that Bednar has heaped on him in training camps. I fully expect COL to QO him, but yeah his runway is getting short in COL. Overall I do think he is an NHL player but he needs to play in that role soon.

Hopefully he can get healthy and have a good enough run in the AHL to earn himself a call up later this season. It would be much more interesting to see what he can do in a 4th line role than watching the likes of Sikura and Sherwood up again.

Exactly my thought. I think with the Avs he is a 4th line guy

Maltsev is basically what we hope Bowers could become: a defensively reliable 4th liner who can win faceoffs. Hopefully Bowers takes that next step.