SalarySwishSalarySwish
Forums/Armchair-GM

Picking off a dead carcass

Created by: RWellington
Team: 2021-22 Edmonton Oilers
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 16, 2022
Published: Feb. 16, 2022
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. Barrie, Tyson
  2. Konovalov, Ilya
  3. Samorukov, Dmitri
  4. 2022 1st round pick (EDM)
  5. 2023 3rd round pick (EDM)
2.
BUF
  1. Koekkoek, Slater
  2. 2023 4th round pick (EDM)
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2022
Logo of the EDM
Logo of the EDM
Logo of the EDM
Logo of the EDM
2023
Logo of the EDM
Logo of the EDM
Logo of the EDM
Logo of the EDM
Logo of the EDM
2024
Logo of the EDM
Logo of the EDM
Logo of the EDM
Logo of the EDM
Logo of the EDM
Logo of the EDM
Logo of the EDM
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
24$81,500,000$81,398,164$669,339$990,000$101,836
Left WingCentreRight Wing
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$5,500,000$5,500,000
RW, LW
NMC
UFA - 7
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$12,500,000$12,500,000
C
UFA - 5
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$5,500,000$5,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 6
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$2,108,696$2,108,696
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$8,500,000$8,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$1,175,000$1,175,000
RW
RFA - 1
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$2,750,000$2,750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$5,125,000$5,125,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 8
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$1,175,000$1,175,000
RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$750,000$750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$834,167$834,167 (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
C
RFA - 1
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$1,250,000$1,250,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$750,000$750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$5,600,000$5,600,000
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RD
RFA - 2
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$2,200,000$2,200,000
G
UFA - 2
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$5,538,462$5,538,462
LD
NMC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$3,250,000$3,250,000
RD
UFA - 4
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$750,000$750,000
G
UFA - 2
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$817,500$817,500 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$3,500,000$3,500,000
RD
UFA - 4
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$4,500,000$4,500,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$725,000$725,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$900,000$900,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$4,167,000$4,167,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$3,200,000$3,200,000
RW
UFA - 3
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$1,500,000$1,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$1,250,000$1,250,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$1,650,000$1,650,000
C, RW
UFA - 1

Embed Code

  • To display this team on another website or blog, add this iFrame to the appropriate page
  • Customize the height attribute in the iFrame code below to fit your website appropriately. Minimum recommended: 400px.

Text-Embed

Click to Highlight
Feb. 16, 2022 at 12:56 p.m.
#1
Avatar of the user
Joined: Mar. 2017
Posts: 24,094
Likes: 7,773
Wait, who is supposed to be the dead carcass here?Anderson and Savard are cap dumps.
OldNYIfan liked this.
Feb. 16, 2022 at 12:57 p.m.
#2
Avatar of the user
Joined: Nov. 2019
Posts: 1,064
Likes: 463
Easy no from Habs. No interest in those dumps from Edmonton

Anderson we will gladly keep and Savard sucks but rather let his contract run out a bit more as opposed to picking up scraps and « giving away » anderson
BorisBagels211 liked this.
Feb. 16, 2022 at 1:04 p.m.
#3
Thread Starter
RW90
Avatar of the user
Joined: Apr. 2018
Posts: 824
Likes: 126
Quoting: CD282
Wait, who is supposed to be the dead carcass here?Anderson and Savard are cap dumps.


Quoting: Lochness1202
Easy no from Habs. No interest in those dumps from Edmonton

Anderson we will gladly keep and Savard sucks but rather let his contract run out a bit more as opposed to picking up scraps and « giving away » anderson


It amazes me how every player involved in a trade is a cap dump
ricochetii and OldNYIfan liked this.
Feb. 16, 2022 at 1:04 p.m.
#4
Shire
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jul. 2021
Posts: 462
Likes: 167
Quoting: CD282
Wait, who is supposed to be the dead carcass here?Anderson and Savard are cap dumps.


Anderson is far from a cap dump lmao
RWellington liked this.
Feb. 16, 2022 at 1:23 p.m.
#5
Thread Starter
RW90
Avatar of the user
Joined: Apr. 2018
Posts: 824
Likes: 126
Quoting: Shire
Anderson is far from a cap dump lmao


I agree and I don't believe Barrie or Savard are cap dumps either. Those players are having down seasons but still have lots of value to the right team.
OldNYIfan liked this.
Feb. 16, 2022 at 1:38 p.m.
#6
Avatar of the user
Joined: Mar. 2017
Posts: 24,094
Likes: 7,773
Quoting: Shire
Anderson is far from a cap dump lmao


Quoting: RWellington
I agree and I don't believe Barrie or Savard are cap dumps either. Those players are having down seasons but still have lots of value to the right team.

Anderson is a nearly 28-year-old who has scored a mere 91 career goals in the NHL. That works out to just 20 per 82 games played. His 156 points works out to just 36 per 82. The trouble is, he's injury prone, so playing a full season is rare for him - just once in his 5 "full" seasons has he played every game. If you look at his production over those 5 seasons, he scored an average of just 16 goals and 27 points per season.

I know what you're thinking now - 'yeah, but he's built for the playoffs'. Not so fast - in his past 32 playoff games he produced just 6 goals and 3 assists... that's a disappearing act if ever I've seen one.

Now consider he's getting $5.5M for the next 5 years, and him prime years are likely in the rearview mirror. If you really think a 16-goal, 27-point winger is worth that contract, then I think our conversation is over.
Ritzy liked this.
Feb. 16, 2022 at 1:49 p.m.
#7
Avatar of the user
Joined: Mar. 2017
Posts: 24,094
Likes: 7,773
Quoting: RWellington
I agree and I don't believe Barrie or Savard are cap dumps either. Those players are having down seasons but still have lots of value to the right team.

All you have to do is look at Savard's 5v5 on-ice goal numbers recently. He was 15-41 in Columbus before being traded to Tampa, where he promptly posted 2-10. This year he's 21-40 in Montreal - a big part of the reason that team is so bad. He's lost a step, honestly I'm not sure he's an NHL defenseman anymore, he certainly can't keep his head above water in the top-4. And $3.5M for 3 more years just can't be justified for a slowing 31 year old 3rd pairing defenseman.

I wouldn't take that contract for free let alone pay good assets to get it. But you know what they say - there's a sucker born every minute.
Feb. 16, 2022 at 1:59 p.m.
#8
Shire
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jul. 2021
Posts: 462
Likes: 167
Quoting: CD282
Anderson is a nearly 28-year-old who has scored a mere 91 career goals in the NHL. That works out to just 20 per 82 games played. His 156 points works out to just 36 per 82. The trouble is, he's injury prone, so playing a full season is rare for him - just once in his 5 "full" seasons has he played every game. If you look at his production over those 5 seasons, he scored an average of just 16 goals and 27 points per season.

I know what you're thinking now - 'yeah, but he's built for the playoffs'. Not so fast - in his past 32 playoff games he produced just 6 goals and 3 assists... that's a disappearing act if ever I've seen one.

Now consider he's getting $5.5M for the next 5 years, and him prime years are likely in the rearview mirror. If you really think a 16-goal, 27-point winger is worth that contract, then I think our conversation is over.


You're crazy, he got signed because of his versatility and his speed for his size. Hes a rare breed and many teams wish for someone like him. I do admit he was overpaid 0.5-1M, but that doesnt mean he has negative value.
Feb. 16, 2022 at 2:04 p.m.
#9
Avatar of the user
Joined: Mar. 2017
Posts: 24,094
Likes: 7,773
Quoting: Shire
You're crazy, he got signed because of his versatility and his speed for his size. Hes a rare breed and many teams wish for someone like him. I do admit he was overpaid 0.5-1M, but that doesnt mean he has negative value.

Here's a great comp - another guy with speed and size: http://naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20192020&thruseason=20212022&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=std&rate=y&p1=8476981&p2=8475178&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single
Note that this is a 3 season view at 5v5 only.

Anderson is useless on the powerplay anyhow: http://naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20192020&thruseason=20212022&stype=2&sit=5v4&score=all&stdoi=std&rate=n&p1=8476981&p2=8475178&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single

Keep him. He's negative value in a cap league.
Feb. 16, 2022 at 2:06 p.m.
#10
Shire
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jul. 2021
Posts: 462
Likes: 167


The fact that you compared him to Kassian removes every single bit of credibility you might have ever had tears of joy
PeterStone liked this.
Feb. 16, 2022 at 2:10 p.m.
#11
Leafs Sufferer
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jul. 2019
Posts: 4,073
Likes: 3,511
Quoting: Shire
The fact that you compared him to Kassian removes every single bit of credibility you might have ever had tears of joy


The fact that his numbers actually are comparable to Kassian shows you've got some serious blinders on for this "rare breed".
CD282 and OldNYIfan liked this.
Feb. 16, 2022 at 2:18 p.m.
#12
Shire
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jul. 2021
Posts: 462
Likes: 167
Quoting: Ritzy
The fact that his numbers actually are comparable to Kassian shows you've got some serious blinders on for this "rare breed".


If you didnt know, Anderson is playing on the team with the 2nd lowest GF in the league while being last, and is still 4 years younger while projected to get 10 points more than your aging Kassian. If you want to ignore the fact Kassian is on IR, hes playing with much better players than Anderson. Take those external factors into account and maybe you'll realise that you cant trade a cap dump for a high value asset like Anderson.

Read up on it, it wont take too long wink
Feb. 16, 2022 at 2:21 p.m.
#13
Avatar of the user
Joined: Nov. 2019
Posts: 1,064
Likes: 463
Quoting: RWellington
It amazes me how every player involved in a trade is a cap dump


Im sorry but you misread my post. I didn’t say they were cap dumps…I say they were just dumps. Edmonton has the most unappealing roster in the league. Their bottom 6 and bottom 4 D are awful
Feb. 16, 2022 at 2:22 p.m.
#14
Avatar of the user
Joined: Mar. 2017
Posts: 24,094
Likes: 7,773
Quoting: Shire
You're crazy, he got signed because of his versatility and his speed for his size. Hes a rare breed and many teams wish for someone like him. I do admit he was overpaid 0.5-1M, but that doesnt mean he has negative value.

What "versatility" does Anderson bring? He seems pretty one-dimensional to me. He sucks on the PP and he doesn't PK. He doesn't play center. What are you imagining he brings that looks remotely like "versatility"?
Feb. 16, 2022 at 2:23 p.m.
#15
Leafs Sufferer
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jul. 2019
Posts: 4,073
Likes: 3,511
Quoting: Shire
If you didnt know, Anderson is playing on the team with the 2nd lowest GF in the league while being last, and is still 4 years younger while projected to get 10 points more than your aging Kassian. If you want to ignore the fact Kassian is on IR, hes playing with much better players than Anderson. Take those external factors into account and maybe you'll realise that you cant trade a cap dump for a high value asset like Anderson.

Read up on it, it wont take too long wink


Speaking of reading.

I guess you must have "missed" that the stats provided to you were from the last three years. Last I checked MON hasn't been in last place for 3 years nor has Kassian been on IR that long.
CD282 liked this.
Feb. 16, 2022 at 2:24 p.m.
#16
Avatar of the user
Joined: Mar. 2017
Posts: 24,094
Likes: 7,773
Quoting: Shire
If you didnt know, Anderson is playing on the team with the 2nd lowest GF in the league while being last, and is still 4 years younger while projected to get 10 points more than your aging Kassian. If you want to ignore the fact Kassian is on IR, hes playing with much better players than Anderson. Take those external factors into account and maybe you'll realise that you cant trade a cap dump for a high value asset like Anderson.

Read up on it, it wont take too long wink

Keep him. Nobody wants a 35 point winger who is making $5.5M long term. He's not worth his contract. Own it.
Ritzy liked this.
 
Reply
To create a post please Login or Register
Question:
Options:
Add Option
Submit Poll