so let me get this right. he started 50% in the Ozone and then he was 50% and 48% in the Ozone and that's the excuse????
what the hell kind of math is that?

Is it my fault Sully wont play him on the PP? We played Philly and Matheson was on the PP for one shift and scored a goal. Also you do realize Brodie is averaging 20:56 TOI and Matheson in averaging 18:15. What else is funny is that Matheson plays 3rd pair and Brodie plays 1st pair. Brodie also has a 53.2 oZS% meaning he has been on the ice for more offensive plays than Matheson has with a 50.7 oZS% (Might be because he plays on the first pair but idk). Shall I add to this or are we gonna end the arguement there? Cause we both know were not gonna change each other's minds

against lesser opponents and no special teams LOL there is no comparison, i have 2 clowns that cant get off the point argument

You guys are literally comparing a guy who plays 3rd pair sheltered minutes who plays no special teams to a 1st pair shutdown dman. Brodie has 2 D partners his whole career Reilly and Giordano... Matheson most common partner this year is Ruwhedel. There is a reason for this.

that wasnt me, that was a pens fan, but hes right, tyson barrie was the best last year? answer that, lead the league in points but hes not even a top 20 d in the league,

go play in the pond with all the ducks you silly gooses

once again, thank you, they are too simple minded to understand that judging a D by points isnt the only way to evaluate and isnt near the top of ways

No I'm comparing a guy who gets 1st paring offensive minutes with TOR best offensive players not producing any points, to a guy who gets "3rd pairing" minutes with "3rd pairing" line mates, and drops 10 even strength goals pace for 3 freaking years.

Fact is, getting those 1st pairing minutes with TOR best offensive players shouldn't you be getting more production out of him?
I mean come on, I've asked this repeatedly, Why are his numbers all down. We've gone with he's now magically a "defensive defenseman" which is just pure BS at best.
What else do you have?
I mean really what does it say for Matheson, when you say he doesn't have real help, and he's out pacing your guy?

I don't get it either. To me Brodie and Dumoulin are the same player, both are #2 Dman to elite offensive defensiveman, both play shutdown defensive roles as there partners like to pinch. Both have embarrassingly bad shots LOL. Only difference would be Brodies a better skater, and Dumo is bigger. I'm a pens fan who lives in southern ontario so all I watch the Leafs fairly often, and the argument that matheson is better is just a incorrect argument. He does have some moments of brilliance followed by many moments of just poor defensive play.

Would you trade Dumoulin for Brodie, all the arguments are using against brodie could be said the same to Dumo. Im literally a pens fan

no they can't be. Because Dumo is actually a defensive defenseman.
Dumo isn't a turn over machine, At no point in his whole career has he been a point producer.

Their whole argument is Brodie is now a "defensive defenseman" ...well that's BS. He isn't and never was. At best you could say he was a 2 way guy.
which gets to the point at the production dropping. And nothing but excuses.

he also plays against the oppositions top offensive guys, you cant make any other arguments except for points lol, youve litereally said nothing besides points which you just look up and dont have to watch

"Looking at Evolving Hockey’s data, we can see how strong TJ Brodie has been defensively. Ranking in the 78th percentile according to their player cards, Brodie has been among the league’s best defensive players. He ranks 22nd in the league among defencemen in Evolving Hockey’s xGAR at even strength defence. He also ranks 35th among league defencemen (with a minimum of 500 minutes played) in xGA/60 with 2.02. Needless to say, TJ Brodie is pretty good at defending at 5v5."

BrOdIe IsNt a DeFeNsIvE dEfEnCeMaN

Matheson actually had a solid season last year. People were freaking out because of his contract and this year he's been stellar and having a better season than Matheson. I'm happy to show you both their regular stats compared and underlying if you'd like? Or maybe you can look them up yourself if you know how to use the internet.

Pens decline.

Brodie's day of being really good are gone. He's still solid, but he's not what he was. People can't let go of what Matheson used to be and hey, that's their problem for not knowing hockey. You can't fix stupid.

Agreed

Ozone time goes down, less chance for pints because he’s the guy getting the puck outta his own end - didn’t think it was that hard to comprehend.

You conveniently only looked at those stats and read them in a way that (tried) to benefit your comment. Stop making a fool outta yourself. His point totals have gone down because he’s not relied on for offence - that’s like saying McDavid is supposed to be a defensive centre. Brodie excels at defence and the points literally don’t matter. He could have 0 points and still be more valuable than Matheson. It’s called hockey. If it was all about points, there’d be no point in playing it. You should learn something about the game before you comment again.

omg, you should learn what a 2 way defense man is. You really should. Because that is what brodie is.
There are huge drops in the numbers.
They aren't related to PP minutes.
If anything, he's got more talent around him now on his 1st line than he's had at any point. The numbers are still down.
Why do you have a hard time getting to that?
You know why they call them defensive, because they are hopeless with the puck on their stick.
You know why they call them offensive, because they are hopeless in their own end.
You know why they call them 2 way, because they can actually play hockey.
But here is the thing. Your guy went from being a 2 way man, to his numbers tanking. But you don't want to recognize that.
No matter how you want to turn it, flip it, whatever. You don't want to talk about it. You got excuses, but you don't want to just say, yeah, he was a 40 point guy, his even strength and 5v5 production use to be a lot better. Now it isn't.
No, you just want to clutch to now, he's labeled as "defensive" and that's all you want to talk about.
It's ok, he's 31. decline happens to all. It's not the 1st time nor the last time numbers drop on a guy.
But don't come at me about how Matheson can't play in his own end, when all his numbers are screaming, 2 way guy, generating points.
Because right now, you'd kill to get 10 goals out of your guy, but your not.

pure ignorance if you think matheson is anywhere close to brodie defensively, you dont watch the leafs and it shows

Ozone time went down....you just said it was 50% and then 50% LOL
how is that down?

Here's the comparison for hockey-impaired. Matheson has grossly outperformed Brodie this year.

Matheson has 7G/14A/21P and is on pace for 11G and 34P
Brodie has 3G/9A/12P and is on pace for 21P, the same amount points Matheson has already hit.

Now on to the underly stats where Matheson basically embarrasses Brodie. ENJOY!

Don't mind the red line. That's just where the cursor landed. Wasn't trying to emphasize anything there.

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Stats are above. Enjoy your wrongness.

I can't wait to see them attempt discredit the underlying stats.

Yup. Havent responded in quite some time

nail coffin done.