Don't think Varly is an overpay - Kosk is negative value and probably requires a 4th to eat his deal. Then you have retention included which is worth another 3rd most likely.

I'd think it's Kosk + 1st + 3rd + 5th for Varly - this seems like a lot as I type it out but it's really 1st+3rd for retained Varly if you take Kosk out of it.

Why is Ceci on the bench?? Clearly you haven't watched more than five minutes of the Oilers this season. He's a top-4 defenseman.

Archibald absolutely can play in Canada, where did you hear that he couldn't?

he is unvaccinated lol. thats where.

I doubt retention is an option for NYI - they'll want to clear his cap for next season.

That doesn't prevent him from playing in Canada though. There are millions of unvaccinated people here.

abd god I hope youre joking. Ceci sucks

Not bad value for Siegenthaler. Devils pass though. He's become a solid top 4 defensive defenseman for us.

Clueless.

are you fr. Canada has a vaccine mandate does it not? And he is only available for 2 Oilers away games all year. Better off going somehwere where he can play them all

please get out of my threads. You bring nothing of value and are either trolling and are being very rude. i post for fun i dont need a troll in here

Again, there is NOTHING stopping Archibald from playing hockey in Canada. I live here and I know the rules.

If you don't post things you know nothing about, you won't have people calling you on it.

The whole point of the Islanders' taking Koskinen back in a Varlamov trade is to equalize the cap hits for the Oilers, not NY. So the Islanders won't be retaining on Varlamov . . . or adding a third, for that matter.

I'm seeing lots of Islanders AGM's with Varlamov for Koskinen plus two 2nds. This does create a serious cap problem for Edmonton next year, but I think they would do it and deal with the consequences in the summer. It also gives NYI full cap relief next season.

God that's a terrible Varlamov deal and certainly not an overpay. A 1st and Koskinen for Varly straight up no retention. That's what it will cost for full cap hit on Varly, and the isles aren't retaining.

look bro we can hope but there are enough goalies to where he wont be getting that much. If he wasnt so bad to start the year after his injury then maybe, but not as of now

who are they

Korpisalo, Georgiev, Varlamov, Koskinen, Francouz, Mrazel, Johannson, Martin Jones, Samsonov/Vanecek maybe?, maybe Allen, Halak if he waives his NMC, Wedgewood, Subban and more i missed. All have had trade discussions. There are too many goalies to be saying Varlamov is worth that much

Koskinen is a cap dump and at best a decent backup. Anybody who's trading for Varlamov wants a starter. Korpisalo has a sub .900 sv% for the 4th time in 5 years.
Malcolm Subban hasn't been under 3.00 gaa in 4 years.
Wedgewood was a waiver pickup and except for a 4 game season in 2015-16 hasn't had a season under 3.00 gaa.
Samsonov and Vanecek are only getting moved for an upgrade.
Mrazek oh boy. Sub .900 sv% and the guy cant stay healthy. Nobody is trading for him unless its a cap dump by TOR.
Johansson another waiver claim posting a 3.73 gaa and a .885 sv%.
Martin Jones sub .900 sv% the last 4 years and at least 3.00 gaa the last 3 years with the 4th year being a 2.94 gaa.
Halak has i believe already said he doesn't want to be traded but nevertheless has a sub .900 sv% and a gaa in the .290s.
Francouz on the best team in the league in a small sample size is putting up great numbers though I wonder how a change to a different team will affect him given what happened to Grubauer you know teams will be cautious. That aside I haven't heard his mentioned at all in terms of a trade. And it doesn't make sense that Colorado would be looking to move on during the season.
Allen's been a solid backup the last 5 years outside of the year the blues won the cup, and this year where I'm giving him a pass because of how bad his team is. The thing with Allen is someone might get him to be a backup or a 1b but nobody's giving him a starting job.
Georgiev is a very interesting guy, a very up and down career. But he's in the same boat as Allen. A backup/1b but not a starter. Now the difference with Georgiev is someone might trade for him to be a backup now and become their starter in a year or 2 but I highly doubt any playoff team is going to start him this year.
Amazingly the 1 guy that should be mentioned wasn't, Fleury.

You gave me a whole list of 3rd strong goalies and a couple of ok backups and expect that to change the Varlamov market. That's like saying Klingberg won't get as much because Chris Wideman is available.

thats quite literally the worst possible judgement ive seen lol. im not going down the list but the point is not that Varlamov has tons of other goalies at his level, its that there are tons of goalies. Teams will not be giving up a 1st round pick amount of value more for the difference between him and most of the goalies on this list.

Only two teams could use Varlamov as a starter who would be buying: VGK and EDM. Vegas doesnt have a 2022 first and EDM isnt likely to go all of this distance to give up so much. We have to be realistic

And GAA isnt a good stat. its a terrible stat. It reflects the team, not the goalie

Somewhat. We could do GSAx as well. Saying martin Jones is available and therefore Varlamov will get less in return is like saying Eakin is available and therefore JT Miller will get less in return, it's preposterous. 3rd string goalies being available doesn't affect the Varlamov market.

bro yes we know jones sucks, but many managements are stupid. if chara and jack johnson have jobs, its hard to think that Jones will be any different

Chara and Jack Johnson have jobs but neither is going to be playing 1st pair. Your whole logic is flawed. Nobody that is interested in Varlamov is even remotely interested in 90% of the guys you mentioned.

I dont think you understand. The fact that there are so many goalies right now and there are so many that are way cheaper than Varalmov and just a bit worse, he cannot get a 1st, 2nd and prospect. Not how it works. Even if there werent a million goalies he wouldnt get that. Hes getting either a late 1st and cap dump or like a 2nd and a solid roster player. even at half retained he could only really get a 1st. Im an islanders fan. we gotta be realistic