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Created by: capfriendlyaccount

Team: 2021-22 Winnipeg Jets

Initial Creation Date: Feb. 26, 2022

Published: Feb. 26, 2022

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Notice that this ACGM doesn't have any actual trades: that's because I would prefer to hear other people's offers to get some perspective on what the market could be like for some of these guys. Obviously not all of them will be moved, but which ones might and which might not depends somewhat on the market for them (hence the format). I've used Anaheim as a placeholder team to represent a non-specific buyer. I also think that no matter what direction the team chooses to take this deadline/offseason, we need to do some serious house cleaning behind the bench, not just with our head coach but assistants as well, and that we probably should consider changes in the front office as well.
I've also seen a lot of Jets fans wanting to move Vesa/Stanley, and especially in Vesa's case, I'd very much rather not sell low on him. Even if he only becomes a bottom 6 piece, I'd still bet on his upside over a mid round pick.

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WPG

Would hope for a 1st (maybe something similar to the Barclay Goodrow trade structure) but would settle for a 2nd+ over letting him walk

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Copp, Andrew

WPG

Hopefully a 2nd ish, or young player. One of the only vets I'd consider keeping around for leadership if the offers aren't right

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Stastny, Paul

WPG

Could wait until the offseason, but I think it might be time for him to move on. Unfortunately his defensive game has evaporated over the past few years and he's part of the leadership that is part of the problem here. If Schneider isn't available something around a 1st+Chytil+Lundqvist seems pretty good to me as a framework, or maybe another team steps in that hasn't been rumored and outbids

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Scheifele, Mark

WPG

Probably one of the most valuable and moveable vets on our D core. If we can recoup a 2nd+ I'm fine with that

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Dillon, Brenden

WPG

Late round pick for a depth guy. Nothing too fancy, I'd be happy just to be rid of him

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Beaulieu, Nathan

WPG

Here's where we get to the real controversial part. These next 2 batches of players are vets that I'd be happy to move for the right return if their value is there. This group is players that are useful in a certain role, but overpaid for what they bring, and/ or over utilized. Comment below if/what you'd offer for them

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WPG

Now we get REALLY spicy. These guys are great, core pieces, but in the long run, I would consider moving them for the right deal. Pionk has had a down year, and as good as Hellebuyck is, I'm not quite convinced that he's worth paying for in two years, especially if we're in the midst of a full blown rebuild. This really is a question of how much we want to year down; if we go for more of a retool than a full rebuild (or double down on trying to win now), then obviously we'd need to keep Hellebuyck. However, if we end up going for more of a scorched earth strategy, it's questionable whether he fits our window, and with how volatile goalies' production can be, a 9 or 10 million dollar commitment could really hamstring us long term (e.g. Carey Price). I wouldn't rush too much to move him, but I also think the type of package we could get could really help kickstart a rebuild if we went down that road. And same as above, I'd love to hear your offers for these guys.

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Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
20	$81,500,000	$28,799,646	$145,122	$1,672,500	$52,700,354

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Connor, Kyle $7,142,857$7,142,857 LW UFA - 5	Dubois, Pierre-Luc $5,000,000$5,000,000 C UFA - 1	Svechnikov, Evgeny $750,000$750,000 LW, RW UFA - 1
Harkins, Jansen $725,000$725,000 LW UFA - 1	Perfetti, Cole $894,167$894,167 ($500,000$500K) LW, C RFA - 3	Vesalainen, Kristian $894,167$894,167 ($850,000$850K) LW, RW RFA - 1
Toninato, Dominic $750,000$750,000 C, LW UFA - 2	Gustafsson, David $817,500$817,500 ($57,500$58K) LW, C RFA - 1	Poganski, Austin $750,000$750,000 RW UFA - 1
Suess, C.J. $725,000$725,000 LW UFA - 1	Brooks, Adam $725,000$725,000 C UFA - 1	Reichel, Kristian $752,500$752,500 RW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Samberg, Dylan $925,000$925,000 ($250,000$250K) LD RFA - 2	DeMelo, Dylan $3,000,000$3,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 3	Comrie, Eric $750,000$750,000 G UFA - 1
Heinola, Ville $863,333$863,333 LD RFA - 3	Nogier, Nelson $725,000$725,000 RD UFA - 1	Berdin, Mikhail $750,000$750,000 G UFA - 2
Stanley, Logan $900,000$900,000 LD RFA - 2	Chisholm, Declan $815,000$815,000 ($15,000$15K) LD/RD RFA - 2

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
		Ehlers, Nikolaj $6,000,000$6,000,000 RW, LW UFA - 4
		Little, Bryan $5,291,667$5,291,667 C, RW M-NTC UFA - 3

Feb. 26, 2022 at 4:55 p.m.

Faulk_my_Dzingel

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The jets are in interesting one. In reality they’re probably a few good moves away from being a contender again. But their ability to draw big names in FA or NTC will be their downfall compared to some more glorified and sunny destinations.

That said. Players like Scheif could get them a ransom. So if they are interested in biting the bullet. They could do one heck of a rebuild.

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Feb. 26, 2022 at 5:09 p.m.

smokewiseganja

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They’re absolutely at a crossroads. I think if they’re going all in on a rebuild, everyone has to go. They’ve got good young pieces and could build around a core of Perfetti Dubois Connor Ehlers Heinola. I’d keep Pionk though despite his defensive issues

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Feb. 26, 2022 at 5:10 p.m.

Birtle34

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Even with a retool or rebuild, or whatever you want to call it. Lowry, wheeler, Schmidt, morrissey probably need to retain on and questionable returns, and there money isn’t going to be spent on anything but bargain free agents or overpaying. So probably going to shine them up or ride out there term. Helly and pionk young enough to keep in a rebuild or retool, jets traditionally draft well enough for a blockbuster or two, but never wanna gamble to much on future, if you have it in the present. You also got to factor in fanbase and Dubois/Connor/ehlers attitude towards a rebuild or retool. All of sudden your ottawa a few years ago. Kind of a slippery slope adventure

Feb. 26, 2022 at 5:12 p.m.

OldNYIfan

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If you put Hellebuyck on the market, there would certainly be serious interest. I can see Buffalo, Edmonton and Washington being suitors, obviously, and teams like Toronto (if they think that they can't re-sign Campbell), Montreal (if Price retires), Colorado (if they think that they can't re-sign Kuemper), Chicago, Ottawa and Philly might also be in the mix. It probably doesn't make sense to make him available at the trade deadline, and it's a shame for you that the draft precedes the free-agency period (because I think where Campbell and others go may shape the market).

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Feb. 26, 2022 at 6:03 p.m.

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As a Jets fan I have no interest in seeing Scheifele or Helly signed to some bloated anchor contracts at 31 years old.

Having said that I'm fine to keep them to the end of their deals (or till their UFA season and traded as rentals if that season goes down the toilet too) IF Chevy gets off his rear and gets to work building a lineup that could actually do something in the playoffs, as it is now this lineup has too many flaws to be anything more then a wildcard/bubble team at best.

This lineup has many issues that need to be corrected, I'm not sure if Chevy is up to it or even sees what they are.

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Feb. 26, 2022 at 8:47 p.m.

capfriendlyaccount

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Quoting: DrDinkiee

Yeah that pretty much sums up the situation. I'm not as convinced as you that they can regain the contender status, but it's possible that a coaching overhaul could reinvigorate them. Unfortunately the core has really gotten stale and the leadership group has not been held accountable for sloppy defensive play while younger guys are ruined by coaching. Thankfully Perfetti has looked good so far but players like Heinola have struggled to gain the confidence of the coaching staff while objectively worse players like Bealieau are played over them.

The small market problem will always be there but if you're able to develop homegrown talent for the most part guys will be willing to re-sign. The issue as you mentioned is finding the guys to put you over the top that are willing to play here.

I agree that that we've got some players we could get a king's ransom for.

Feb. 26, 2022 at 9:22 p.m.

capfriendlyaccount

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Quoting: smokewiseganja

Agree. And yeah keeping Pionk would be fine. He had a very good year last year and it's (usually) better to keep a few guys around in a rebuild anyways, especially since players like Heinola and Samberg could use someone to break in with.
Ideally guys like Vesa, Svech, Harkins, Stanley, Berdin etc. would really blossom with the opportunity but if not I guess that's what the trade returns are for.

Feb. 26, 2022 at 9:38 p.m.

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Quoting: Birtle34

Yeah, I tend to think some GM will overvalue one or more of those guys but I get that if we'd have to retain a bunch might be better to keep them.

Quoting: Birtle34

So probably going to shine them up or ride out there term. Helly and pionk young enough to keep in a rebuild or retool, jets traditionally draft well enough for a blockbuster or two, but never wanna gamble to much on future, if you have it in the present. You also got to factor in fanbase and Dubois/Connor/ehlers attitude towards a rebuild or retool. All of sudden your ottawa a few years ago. Kind of a slippery slope adventure

If you're concerned that players would start wanting out if we decided to tear down, that's valid, especially in a small market like ours. In terms of the fan reaction, I'm honestly not quite sure what people would think. I've seen a lot of people online campaigning for significant changes, and although obviously that's not representative of the whole fanbase, I think the sentiment that we need some type of leadership change is pretty widespread. I can't say for sure that most people would support it, but I do think a large number of people would at least get behind a retool.

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Feb. 26, 2022 at 10:06 p.m.

Birtle34

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Quoting: capfriendlyaccount

Yeah, I tend to think some GM will overvalue one or more of those guys but I get that if we'd have to retain a bunch might be better to keep them.

If you're concerned that players would start wanting out if we decided to tear down, that's valid, especially in a small market like ours. In terms of the fan reaction, I'm honestly not quite sure what people would think. I've seen a lot of people online campaigning for significant changes, and although obviously that's not representative of the whole fanbase, I think the sentiment that we need some type of leadership change is pretty widespread. I can't say for sure that most people would support it, but I do think a large number of people would at least get behind a retool.

I think jets could be a bounce back type squad with the right moves, some of the lhd dman coming should be ready to make squad with a little bit of room, and possibly the right right handed dman would be huge to slot some vets down a little. If scheifele could bring back a future laine 2.0 and 6foot 2 pionk and they are ready to go again i think. With Connor and a healthy ehlers and a third gun and this team could roll again in my opinion. Possibly a back up tender but wouldn’t want to ask for too much, possibly knight out of Florida to push helly.

Feb. 26, 2022 at 10:16 p.m.

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Quoting: MisstheWhalers

Yeah. This was supposed to be our year to get back to contender status. It's extremely clear that's not happening, but to even attempt to get back there next season, we'd really have to jump through some salary cap hoops.
I really think the bigger issue lies with the coaching staff than with the players. There's gotta be a reason why we continue to have a porous defense year after year no matter what players we put out there. (Hint: It's Charlie Huddy). Some of the things Lowry has said/done also seem too Maurice-ish for me, I think some fresh blood for the HC role could go a long way whether we decide to tear down or load up.

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Feb. 26, 2022 at 10:58 p.m.

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Quoting: Birtle34

Well you're a lot more optimistic than me. I have serious doubts we get that for Scheif, and Florida won't move Knight unless it's for a stud. I'd be happy to roll with Comrie and/or Berdin for now, Comrie has actually been pretty good this year in limited opportunity.

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Feb. 26, 2022 at 11:30 p.m.

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Quoting: capfriendlyaccount

Ya just trying to be optimistic, but odds are that Chevy does more of the minimum and continues on a path with the current nucleus, hopefully the kids come fast and turn the fortunes fast.

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