A 5th doesn't clear the difference imo. Connor Brown is a much better player.

Kasperi Kapanen is not a player I would target at all for Ottawa.

As a separate point, I would be interested in John Marino if he's available.

Even then Marino is not really needed as we have Thompson and JBD comming up, that deal is terrible for Ottawa, also why would the Pens trade Marino?

Marino ranks 3rd on the team in ice-time. A right-handed defensemen who can move the puck, skate out of trouble, has a high hockey IQ, has play-off experience and is just 24 years old. They don’t grow on trees. Pens could get more for him in the future too.

And he’s signed long term. Till 2027. And making 4.4M per. For what D-man are getting paid nowadays. That’s a steal.

And I just can’t see a world where they trade Marino. With Letang being a UFA this offseason and the most unlikely of Geno-Letang-Rust to sign an extension. And the next best RHD on the team being Ruhwedel and a guy in the AHL named Maniscalco.

And sorry, but that’s the world we live in right now.

Done by Detroit's perspective, Pettersson is a useful top 4 LD for the next 3 years until the kids are ready.

Kappy’s younger, cheaper(his QO this offseason is 875K but has arbitration rights, probably will get 2.25M-3M per; he won’t get the 3.2M he’s getting now unless he picks it up and gets hot for acouple weeks).

Kappy super talented too. Undeniable on the ice. Fast as hell, great shot, good playmaker, good 200 foot player, good on PK, good on the PP, plays physical and “hits” more than enough(has 81 “hits” this season so far).

Is he in the doghouse and playing inconsistent.? Yes. But every shift he plays you still can’t miss him. Does he try and make too many behind the back passes and take stupid penalties that really bother Sully..? Yes.

But he’s still a .5 PPG player when playing poorly. That’s a good “floor”and a “floor” a lot of NHL wingers would kill for. Let him get hot for acouple weeks and he’s a 20 goal scorer again. And last season had 30 points in 40 games(.75PPG).

People think on capfriendly cause he’s in the doghouse; and was a healthy scratch one night. It makes him a bottom 6 or something.

Even though, the next night he was back on Carter line(3rd line) and still is. Sully just wanted to send a message and try to get him going. It’s not even an unusual thing to happen to young players. Doesn’t make him a bottom 6.

He was on the 2nd line all last season on a play-off team;30 points in 40 games(.75PPG). And just got moved to the 3rd line for E-Rod who’s having a great season and is gonna score 20 plus goals this yr.(17 goals so far). Kappy’s a mid-6 on a good, play-off team, at worst.

Ya, talk of trading Pettersson or Pettersson being on the trade block isn’t cause he is unwanted or unproductive either. It’s just there is a salary cap. And hard to pay 3 LHD 4M plus and flush out the rest of the roster. The Pens D has been a strength and the reason they have been good this season with all the injuries to the offense. And Pettersson is apart of that.

Pettersson 4M is reasonable too. Especially with what capable D-man are making nowadays. He’s a 25 year old, stay at home LHD, long stick, long reach, Plus(+) 46 for his career, plays 17-20 minutes a night on a good play-off team. Has play-off experience. A more than capable 2nd pairing LHD on a good NHL team.

You have a few players losing their waiver exemption as well (notably Joseph) so someone has to go. If you want to then Detroit will take Matheson too if the price is right.

kaps an okay player but the sens arent going to just basically swap them 1 for 1, if browns gone the sens are getting multiple pieces towards the future, not a straight downgrade in terms of player because they can keep him for longer

Well I disagree. I watch Kappy on the ice every night. Undeniably talented. Can’t miss him on the ice. Fast as hell, great shot, good playmaker, good 200 foot player, good on PK, good on the PP, plays physical and “hits” more than enough(has 81 “hits” this season so far).

Is he in the doghouse and playing inconsistent.? Yes. But every shift he plays you still can’t miss him. Does he try and make too many behind the back passes, make stupid mistakes/turnovers that really bother Sully..? Yes.

But he’s still a .5 PPG player when playing poorly. That’s a good “floor”and a “floor” a lot of NHL wingers would kill for. Let him get hot for acouple weeks and he’s a 20 goal scorer again. And last season he had 30 points in 40 games(.75PPG). Doenst sound ok too me. And watch him on the ice. Definitely doenst look “ok”

again hes good but if im picking one its connor brown pretty easily, i like kapanen i just wouldnt swap him for brown. *If* we trade brown its for higher tier futures, but if kapanen could be had for a pick or something id maybe look at it

Ya I get it. But “ok” is a bad description of Kappy.

Capfriendly even proves that. Seen every teams fans on here make a trade for him and say he’s a “bottom 6” or “mid 6” and then immediately insert him on their teams 2L RW. If a fraction of real life GMs are interested as much as fans are clambering for him on capfriendly; getting a Connor Brown type winger won’t be a problem.

And again, still a .5 PPG player when playing poorly. That’s a good “floor”and a “floor” a lot of NHL wingers would kill for. Let him get hot for acouple weeks and he’s a 20 goal scorer again. And last season he had 30 points in 40 games(.75PPG)

Doesn’t sound like an “ok” player to me. And watch him on the ice. Definitely doenst look just “ok”. Ridiculously talented player.

i think youre getting hung up on the wording too much i like the player thats not the question. id be interested because i think hed be a great compliment to a guy like stutzle at our 2RW i just wouldnt trade connor brown for him. Id do like nick paul and a pick or something if theres any interest there but brown for kapanen doesnt make sense for the sens imo

By mid six you mean 3rd liner. He's a useful player with one elite skill. He's one of the best burners in the league, but his hands can't keep up and his lack of hockey sense/ creativity hold him back From being a great offensive player and leave him prone to defensive lapses. Compare him to Connor Brown, who despite lacking that one top of the league skill is a much better player overall because he does have that game sense. He's a smart player with a relatively limited skillset, but he's able to do so much more with what he has than Kapanen. He's a stronger Defensive player and he's a more productive offensive player too.

Look at it from Ottawa's perspective. They need to add a true impact RW who can make players around him better. Kapanen doesn't do that at all, so it's not a helpful swap at all when they're giving up the better player.

For the record I think Ottawa should be looking to trade Connor Brown because he's unlikely to make sense on an extension imo. But Kapanen isn't the answer to the questions Ottawa has.

No, I completely understand that u think
Connor Brown > Kappy

And Connor Brown seems to be apart on the Sens future. Atleast right now. I get it. It’s more so Kappy for a Connor Brown type wing.

I actually hope the Helathy scratch gets Kappy going and he sticks with the Pens. He just isn’t a Sully(Pens coach) type player. He try’s to make things happen too much cause he’s so talented.

Sully would rather, on a 3 on 3, the player dump the puck in deep and chase and grind out a 1 minute offensive zone shift. Where Kappy will make a behind the back pass to the trailer on a 3 on 3 and turn it over. Then he’s on the bench the rest of the game..lol.

I think Nic Paul is going to try and cash in free agency. Good two way player and versatile. I’m a fan. Don’t think giving up a 25 year old top 6(mid 6 at worst) that is a RFA still under teams control for a bottom 6 rental is a good move. Even though Paul is a really good bottom 6 and can jump into that top 6 without a huge drop-off if injury.

thats fair, paul for kapanen is kind of similar to what i think brown for kapanen is like. If theres any interest in like erik brannstrom id probably throw him in too tbh

*Played on 1st line in Toronto most all of his PT there.

*Played on the 2nd line all last year with the Pens. 30 points in 40 games(.75PPG).

*Played on the 2nd line all season with the Pens this year. 5PPG and playing poorly. That’s a pretty good “floor” I’d say.

*Just got moved down to the 3rd line on Carter line. E-Rod moved up to the 2L. E-Rod is having his best season of his career and gonna score 20 plus goals this season(has 17 goals so far). He deserves the promotion too.

So no, I’d say he’s been a top 6 on contending/play-off teams his whole career. Except the last 3-5 games.

It’s not defensive lapses either. Look at his blocked shot, or his “hits” or defensive analytics. They are good. More than adequate 200 foot player. Even a good 200 foot player. Obviously u aren’t as familiar as u are making out to be. It’s trying to do too much offensively. Too many bad turnovers.

Sully would rather on a 3 on 3 the player dump the puck in deep and chase and grind out a 1 minute offensive zone shift. Where Kappy will make a behind the back pass to the trailer on a 3 on 3 and turn it over. Then he’s on the bench the rest of the game..lol.

And? Nikita Zaitsev has been playing 1st pairing minutes basically his whole career. He's a useful player but he doesn't make a top 6 better. He CAN play there when you have a top six with Crosby/Malkin/Guentzel or Matthews/Marner/Nylander, but he's a passenger player. That's not what Ottawa needs on their 2nd line. Kapanen is more suited to 3rd line duties.

Do u not understand top 6..?? That’s the top line my man. Only 3..lol. Top 6 is the top 2 lines..And yes, in Toronto, it was Nylander/Matthews/Kappy on the top line. For 2 years.

2018-19 Leafs - Kappy TOI-14:12, Nylander - 13:26.


It’s not defensive lapses either. Look at his blocked shot, or his “hits” or defensive analytics. They are good. More than adequate 200 foot player. Even a good 200 foot player. Obviously u aren’t as familiar as u are making out to be. It’s trying to do too much offensively. Too many bad turnovers.

Sully would rather on a 3 on 3 the player dump the puck in deep and chase and grind out a 1 minute offensive zone shift. Where Kappy will make a behind the back pass to the trailer on a 3 on 3 and turn it over. Then he’s on the bench the rest of the game..lol.

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2022 5th round pick (PIT)


I'm not reading all the comments here, so if it's been said before, here's an echo

Brown's skill set is far beyond Kapanen, and a 5th seems like an invitation to argue over the added draft pick, when the Sens wouldn't want Kapanen regardless of the offered draft pick.

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Kapanen's last 82 games played, March 2, 2021 to present
82 games, 17 goals, 29 assists, 46 points

Brown's last 82 games played, February 23, 2021 to present
82 games, 26 goals, 33 assists, 59 points