You are trading greenway for a cap dump, when Minnesota has 8 dman under contract for next year. Greenway has a new 3 year contract abd the grief line isn't getting broken up. Your value here, the 2nd proposal is bad for Minnesota. Have no idea why you are giving up greenway, calen addison and dumba fir cap dump and two lesser prospect

You are trading greenway for a cap dump, when Minnesota has 8 dman under contract for next year. Greenway has a new 3 year contract abd the grief line isn't getting broken up. Your value here, the 2nd proposal is bad for Minnesota. Have no idea why you are giving up greenway, calen addison and dumba fir cap dump and two lesser prospect

Why would Fiala accept being extended and immediately get moved? If the Wild were looking to ship him, he'd just sign one year and take his chances as a UFA with more opportunities to get paid or request a NTC/NMC in any long-term deal.

Also at that price are the Kings really getting a deal, it's essentially the same price as an offer sheet? Shouldn't they test the waters with UFAs like Gaudreau and Forsberg before giving up assets on Fiala?

Gaudreau and Forsberg are both significantly older than Fiala. Fiala would (IMO) gladly accept this deal to, 1) Go to LA (great young talent and he just seems like a bright lights, big city kind of player), and 2) It’s guaranteed money. This is not far-fetched at all!

Remember LA has one of the most expensive tax rates in the country, for instance the difference annually between taxes in LA vs. Minnesota is a difference of $200k per season at $7M. If my team is trying to move me, I’d do everything in my power to maximize my value and pay.

Also, I don’t know if 3 years older is significantly, but the Kings need goal scoring bad,, and Forsberg is nearly at 40 goals for the season. They are likely to sign Kempe (higher goals than Fiala, and acquired in the same draft) at $5M. To me I’d rather spend $9M on Forsberg than $7M on Fiala (plus a loss of assets). But that is just me.

Lol so you make a case for why Fiala wouldn’t necessarily sign an extension in LA, but then just assume you can get Forsberg as a UFA? Why does Fiala care about maximizing his earnings but Forsberg doesn’t?

Sorry if my posts above aren't clear enough.

My argument was two-part, one: why would Fiala take a sign and trade to Los Angeles (LA has the harshest tax rate, and Fiala just needs one year to become a UFA and get a real payday). It is also not very common that players take sign and trades as RFAs. Also can the Kings justify paying Fiala $2M per annum than Kempe, who has arguably played better than him this season.

and two: The Kings need goal-scoring, it's not that they can get Forsberg, but why wouldn't they first "test the waters" in getting Forsberg, Gaudreau, or other free agents before trading assets for Fiala? Forsberg's old linemate is with the Kings, he is looking to get paid more than $9M which is what the Kings could offer, and his wife is a professional musician who would do well in Los Angeles.

Yeah I agree that it’s likely not a sign and trade with Fiala. As you said, those are pretty rare.

But Fiala isn’t looking to force UFA. It was well reported last summer that he wants a long term extension. It was the team who arbed.

Guerin will trade Fiala if they can’t agree on a number that works. If that’s the case, Guerin isn’t going to just withhold that information from an acquiring team. They would know what his extension cost is and whether or not he’s willing to sign there. With any Fiala trade, it’s pretty safe to just assume there’s an extension in place and the two camps agree to get it done. Nobody would pay anything significant for a year of Fiala being walked to UFA. The extension is essential to any trade.

As for Forsberg or testing UFA market in general, yeah it’s probably ideal for the Kings to shop around. But things can move fast. And indecision can definitely lead to missing out and not accomplishing what it is you wanted during the offseason. So there’s some value in making a trade due to the certainty it offers.

Yeah, I agree, there is a risk that the Kings shop around too long and miss out on everything. Unfortunately, we will unlikely do anything (including check out Free Agents) until we are officially out on Chychrun.

You are trading greenway for a cap dump, when Minnesota has 8 dman under contract for next year. Greenway has a new 3 year contract abd the grief line isn't getting broken up. Your value here, the 2nd proposal is bad for Minnesota. Have no idea why you are giving up greenway, calen addison and dumba fir cap dump and two lesser prospect

Im getting a high 2nd and a cost-controlled, stop gap RHD for Greenway, a prospect (Greig) whom csick loves and I trust his evaluations! He believes Greig will be very, very good! And I’ll trade Addison for JBD 100 times out of 100 times! So…I guess we disagree here. Nothing wrong with that.

You’re overvaluing the OTT prospects here IMO. JBD is solid, but he’s not consistently cracking a pretty bad Sens team lineup, and instead just sort of holding a spot down on a mediocre AHL team.

lol the things you can read on this site...

Ever heard of "prospects development"? Particularly for a rebuilding team...

Drake Batherson played 2 seasons in the AHL and is now PPG in the NHL at 23 years old
Josh Norris spent a whole season in the AHL and has scored 42 goals in his last 77 GP, at 21-22 y/o

JBD is a 21 y/o D-man in his pro rookie season. I don't have the exact stat but there was a stretch where he wasn't on the ice for a goal against at ES for months...

You’re overvaluing the OTT prospects here IMO. JBD is solid, but he’s not consistently cracking a pretty bad Sens team lineup, and instead just sort of holding a spot down on a mediocre AHL team.

As for Greig, he’s a player for sure, but not a guaranteed top 6 anchor like this site would have you believe. He’s a couple years away and probably tops out as like a 25-25 type. Smaller and slightly less physical but better scoring Marcus Foligno.

The point is that he’s overvaluing the Sens prospects. I’m happy for JBD, but Addison is having some pretty dang good success of his own in the A. Every organization has young promising players, JBD isn’t some holy grail prospect that only your organization has. He’s replaceable and not all that interesting in context of what MIN is giving up here.

Gargle your own prospects all you want, but there’s a reason so many Sens fans view JBD as dispensable.

Sens fans don't want to trade JBD for Addison when they already have a similar guy in Erik Brannstrom (who will most likely be trade bait soon, with Sanderson and Chabot on LD playing like 50 mins per game)

I like Greenway but Sens just let a similar guy go in Nick Paul who they could possibly get back as a UFA this summer. Give up an early 2nd and get rid of Zaitsev, this I wouldn't mind but it wouldn't help the Wild so it doesn't work

But you're totally missing the point here. It is Ridly Greig that Sens fans don't want to move.

Dumba is 29 y/o and will look for a retirement contract, something he might not want with Ottawa and something the Sens might not be in a position to give him



Which Sens fans? Knowledgeable ones?

No one says he's "untouchable" but there's no point in moving him for Addison or Greenway.

If you remove Greig, then it becomes different, JBD would probably be available for Dumba.

That being said, not sure he'd be a target because of his incoming contract. Sens already have several contracts to sign and might want to get a winger for Stutzle.

And yes there's a log jam (If I'm not mistaken, all of Del Zotto, Holden, Mete and Brannstrom can play RD too)

Zub
Hamonic
Zaitsev
JBD/Thomson/etc

I'd do Dumba for JBD, 2022 2nd round pick (OTT), Zaitsev (1 M$ retained if you want) but that'd be pretty useless if Dumba leaves as a UFA.

Not even close to Foligno. He’s a Brad Marchand lite, not a higher scoring Marcus Foligno. You’re just trying to take credit from him. He’s 7 months older than Guenther but has a higher P/GM than him. We value Greig the same as you guys valued Boldy before this year

Good for him, but that doesn’t mean much to me. Adam Beckman finished his 19 year old WHL season at 1.68 ppg and I’m lukewarm on him at best. Greig is sitting at like 1.61. I don’t really care what a players WHL production is as long as it’s reasonably good. Beyond that, it’s much more about the eye test for me.

As I said, Greig is definitely a player but I don’t see “Brad Marchand lite” as his projection. You’re welcome to disagree. I watch a good number of WHL games and while I do like Greig, I’m not as high on him as you are.

Sens fans don't want to trade JBD for Addison when they already have a similar guy in Erik Brannstrom (who will most likely be trade bait soon, with Sanderson and Chabot on LD playing like 50 mins per game)

I like Greenway but Sens just let a similar guy go in Nick Paul who they could possibly get back as a UFA this summer. Give up an early 2nd and get rid of Zaitsev, this I wouldn't mind but it wouldn't help the Wild so it doesn't work

But you're totally missing the point here. It is Ridly Greig that Sens fans don't want to move.

Dumba will look for a retirement contract, something he might not want with Ottawa and something the Sens might not be in a position to give him



Which Sens fans? Knowledgeable ones?

No one says he's "untouchable" but there's no point in moving him for Addison or Greenway.

If you remove Greig, then it becomes different, JBD would probably be available for Dumba.

That being said, not sure he'd be a target because of his incoming contract. Sens already have several contracts to sign and might want to get a winger for Stutzle.

And yes there's a log jam (If I'm not mistaken, all of Del Zotto, Holden, Mete and Brannstrom can play RD too)

Zub
Hamonic
Zaitsev
JBD/Thomson/etc

I'd do Dumba for JBD, 2022 2nd round pick (OTT), Zaitsev (1 M$ retained if you want) but that'd be pretty useless if Dumba leaves as a UFA.

Minnesota won't. Because it's been reported Guerin wants to resign dumba. Why would we take on cap dump, a d prospect and 2nd round pick for him?

Roby Jarventie is a better prospect than Adam Beckman. And Greig is better than Jarventie

I never said the Sens should take this deal. IMO it doesn’t make sense for either party.

Roby Jarventie is a better prospect than Adam Beckman. And Greig is better than Jarventie

Beckman and Jarventie are basically interchangeable. Greig is comfortably better than both.