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Better than Gibson

Created by: jazzhandz321
Initial Creation Date: May 24, 2022
Published: May 24, 2022
Team: 2022-23 Toronto Maple Leafs
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Liljegren, Timothy2$1,750,000
Sandin, Rasmus2$1,750,000
Engvall, Pierre2$2,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Aston-Reese, Zach2$1,750,000
Lagesson, William2$975,000
Spezza, Jason1$750,000
Holtby, Braden2$2,500,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. Grubauer, Philipp ($900,000 retained)
  2. Larsson, Adam
SEA
  1. Mrázek, Petr
  2. Kerfoot, Alexander
2.
TOR
  1. Johnsson, Andreas ($1,400,000 retained)
NJD
  1. Holl, Justin
  2. 2023 4th round pick (TOR)
3.
TOR
  1. 2022 2nd round pick (LAK)
  2. 2023 7th round pick (LAK)
LAK
  1. Muzzin, Jake
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2022
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2023
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2024
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$81,489,783$212,500$0$10,217
Left WingCenterRight Wing
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Johnsson, Andreas
$2,000,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
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Matthews, Auston
$11,640,250
C
UFA - 2
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Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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Bunting, Michael
$950,000
LW
UFA - 1
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Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 3
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Marner, Mitchell
$10,903,000
RW
UFA - 3
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Engvall, Pierre
$2,000,000
LW, C
RFA
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Kämpf, David
$1,500,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Aston-Reese, Zach
$1,750,000
LW, RW
UFA
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Robertson, Nicholas
$796,667
LW
RFA - 2
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Abruzzese, Nick
$850,000
C
RFA - 1
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Spezza, Jason
$750,000
C, RW
UFA
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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Rielly, Morgan
$7,500,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 8
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Brodie, TJ
$5,000,000
LD/RD
NTC
UFA - 2
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Grubauer, Philipp
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 5
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Sandin, Rasmus
$1,750,000
LD/RD
RFA
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Larsson, Adam
$4,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
Holtby, Braden
$2,500,000
G
UFA
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Giordano, Mark
$800,000
LD
UFA - 2
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Liljegren, Timothy
$1,750,000
RD
RFA
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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Simmonds, Wayne
$900,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 1
Lagesson, William
$975,000
LD
UFA

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May 24 at 5:07 p.m.
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Kings...and maybe Muzzin say no. If yo truly think Larsson and Grubauer are good value, why does Seattle make that trade?
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May 24 at 5:08 p.m.
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Muzzin declines this trade before the Kings can. As noted in the last 50+ Muzzin back to LA ACGM's here.
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May 24 at 5:08 p.m.
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Most definitely not better than Gibson. Gruebauer was bad last season and a lot of his success in Colorado was more to do with his team than him. He actually graded out as average from advance stats point of view.
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May 24 at 5:21 p.m.
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grub's not a bad buy low candidate but he does have a ntc. can't see seattle retaining tho.
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May 24 at 5:38 p.m.
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Quoting: palhal
Kings...and maybe Muzzin say no. If yo truly think Larsson and Grubauer are good value, why does Seattle make that trade?


I Think Kerfoot for one of Soucy/Larsson/Oleksiak makes sense for both teams, I do understand that the leafs probably do have to add there but I think Grubauer has less value than Mrazek atm. That being said Grubauer is my personal buy low candidate, last season was an outlier IMO but I think that itll scare off seattle enough to sell him at his lowest.

I think It'd go like this in terms of value; Soucy/Larsson/Oleksiak > Kerfoot > Mrazek > Grubauer.
May 24 at 5:39 p.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangle
grub's not a bad buy low candidate but he does have a ntc. can't see seattle retaining tho.


Yeah if they dont want to retain then, I'd switch the trade to Kerfoot + Mrazek for Soucy + Grubauer
May 24 at 5:42 p.m.
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Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
Most definitely not better than Gibson. Gruebauer was bad last season and a lot of his success in Colorado was more to do with his team than him. He actually graded out as average from advance stats point of view.


I mean the advanced stats have hated Gibson too for sometime now. Grubauer is cheaper and was a .920 goalie before this season, I think its a good bet all things considered
May 24 at 5:43 p.m.
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Quoting: tryger
Muzzin declines this trade before the Kings can. As noted in the last 50+ Muzzin back to LA ACGM's here.


Well even if LA says no, I think the value there is fair for Muzzin. Consider it a placeholder team if anything.
May 24 at 6:16 p.m.
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I mean the advanced stats have hated Gibson too for sometime now. Grubauer is cheaper and was a .920 goalie before this season, I think its a good bet all things considered


Perhaps that should make both look very unwise.
May 24 at 6:21 p.m.
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Los Angeles isn't interested in this effort to shed significant cap.

Absolutely no interest in installing Jake Muzzin 2.0 even if he would waive his NTC, plus we could re-sign Alex Edler for less than Jake's cap hit, and we would probably get the same results without having to expend assets to re-acquire Muzz. Will you Toronto guys please stop doing this? It's like the Montreal guys with their silly Jeff-Petry-to-Detroit trades.
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May 24 at 6:56 p.m.
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Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
Perhaps that should make both look very unwise.


I mean Andersen put up career low numbers in 2021, then performed at a Vezina level this past year. I think it'd be a smart bet to make
May 24 at 6:57 p.m.
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Los Angeles isn't interested in this effort to shed significant cap.

Absolutely no interest in installing Jake Muzzin 2.0 even if he would waive his NTC, plus we could re-sign Alex Edler for less than Jake's cap hit, and we would probably get the same results without having to expend assets to re-acquire Muzz. Will you Toronto guys please stop doing this? It's like the Montreal guys with their silly Jeff-Petry-to-Detroit trades.


It's mostly a place holder team, I just put LA cuz I think it'd be a cute reunion LOL
May 24 at 6:57 p.m.
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Quoting: jazzhandz321
I mean Andersen put up career low numbers in 2021, then performed at a Vezina level this past year. I think it'd be a smart bet to make


He was injured in 2021. And he did not play at a Vezina level
May 24 at 7:26 p.m.
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Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
He was injured in 2021. And he did not play at a Vezina level


I mean he was injured yeah but he took time off and still played like ass, and this past season he was definitely Vezina level. He'll probably be 4th in voting and was frankly snubbed for 2nd place IMO
May 24 at 7:29 p.m.
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Quoting: jazzhandz321
I mean he was injured yeah but he took time off and still played like ass, and this past season he was definitely Vezina level. He'll probably be 4th in voting and was frankly snubbed for 2nd place IMO


Cool you are a canes fan
May 24 at 7:51 p.m.
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Cool you are a canes fan


LOL what? Statistically Freddy had a Vezina caliber season, idk why you're coming off so hostile LOL
May 24 at 8:33 p.m.
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LOL what? Statistically Freddy had a Vezina caliber season, idk why you're coming off so hostile LOL


I don't think so. He was in a good system that inflated his numbers. I am not sure I would have Andersen in my top 5 this past season. He's a good goalie though but he does let in bad goals too often
 
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