That's a horrible deal for the isles could offersheet him for cheaper

Isles would just offersheet instead

Lmao. This is hysterical.

yeah, i’d rather go for the 6.1mil offersheet a la KK and see what happens.

I can't see the Isles doing that.

Putting aside the fact that offer sheets are extremely rare, it would simply get matched without a second thought because that’s basically what he’s gonna be making anyway? Not sure what you thought you were accomplishing here, that wouldn’t even put pressure on the Flames, it would just mean we don’t bring Jarnkrok back and maybe have to like, trade Valimaki. This guy scored 35 goals this year and is elite defensively. He’d arguably be your best forward immediately lol (his GSVA was higher than any Isles forward this year, and he was playing 2nd line/PP2 all year). Probably not better than Barzal if he rebounds but easily top line with him. This is barely more than Kapanen got and Mangiapane is a similar style of player (fast, PKer, can score), but miles better than him in every regard. If anything this wouldn’t be enough for Mangiapane considering Wahlstrom hasn’t exactly lived up to expectations yet.

Wahlstrom is no where near the player the isles fans think he is.

i agree with most of what you said, just think it makes more sense theoretically to try their luck w an offersheet and see what happens (even if that won’t ever occur) bc of the flames’ cap crunch. the value in offer sheets is trying to pay compensation that’s less than the players’ trade value bc of contract constraints with the market and all that. ngl just looked the tiers up rn so that comment was based on nothing but vibes, but i’d rather just go for the 1st 2nd 3rd compensation tier (6.2mil-8.5mil) (or just offer sheet JP if we were to offer sheet anyone which sadly we won’t) than give up on wahlstrom, even if he didn’t meet expectations this year. maybe that’s the prospect hugger in me lol but if the team wants to win now i’d rather keep the player that can actually make an nhl impact this year and lose picks than vice versa

He had a great rookie season all things considered, was a top 4 forward on the isles despite playing for the worst coach at developing forwards in the NHL. There’s really no reason for the isles to trade Wahlstrom because he has a skillset that perfectly compliments Barzal

This trade is also extremely risky for the isles considering Mangiapane has likely hit his peak and Wahlstrom is not even in his prime yet. I would maybe do Wahlstrom 1 for 1 Mangiapane but i wouldn’t even include the 2022 1st if Calgary added a 2nd + B prospect. Mangiapane is going get paid 6-7 mill this offseason and he likely won’t provide excess value on his contract

Wahlstrom has yet to show he can be a true, consistent top 6 forward, let alone 35 goal scorer and elite defensive player. He might get there (a new coach will probably help, but not guaranteed), but given his track record to date it’s not a lock, and his worth is no longer based on his upside/draft projection because he’s in the NHL now and 4 years removed from the draft. His adjusted projection is that at his peak, he’d be lucky to be even close to Mangiapane’s level. To suggest they are in the same universe in terms of value is absurd. Like, Wahlstrom had 24 points this year. Mangiapane had 23 goals on the road alone. And again, is far more than just an offensive contributor, which is all Wahlstrom is right now. Also, guys don’t have to have excess value. That’s literally the whole point of a contract, to pay a guy fair money for the on-ice value he provides. If you DO get excess value that’s nice, but if he lives up to his contract then that’s fine, and there’s no reason to expect Mangiapane to not do that (he’s improved every season, with consistently great underlying numbers). Based on the Kapanen trade, this might not even get it done. 15oa+Hallander for Kapanen vs. 13oa+Wahlstrom for Mangiapane, who is better in literally every regard? And did it all with PP2/2nd line ice time? Come on.

If you go by per 60 rates and overall impact , Wahlstrom had a 2nd line impact last season (20-21 season). You can’t show you’re a consistent top 6 forward when you get 4th line minutes and minimal powerplay time. Ask Cole Caufield. Also Wahlstrom had an above average defensive impact in his rookie season and he was average this season. So he’s not one dimensional.

I never commented whether the Flames should make this trade, I’m just saying it would be incredibly stupid for the isles to do it. If Lou made this trade, the owners should just take away the keys (tbh they should do it already). Im taking Wahlstrom + one of Lambert/Lekermakki and i wouldn’t think twice. I am not interested in giving up two high end assets who will be relatively cheap for foreseeable future rather than pay Mangiapane 7 mill when he wouldn’t put the isles over the top.

Obviously if a coach buries a player and affects his production, it decreases his market value. I don’t think there’s a 21 year old in the NHL who would have put up more than 20-30 points playing for the isles. Hard to produce playing 8-10 min a night. That being said I never said Wahlstrom is close in actual value or market value to Mangiapane right now. But I’m confident within the next 2 years he’ll be a solid two way 30-30 guy with an elite powerplay impact - and he’ll likely be doing it on an under market value contract. Then you factor in Lekeremakki + Lamberts , the trade could end up looking very bad for the isles in 2-3 years.