I agree they are still trying to compete but they have some cap space to find that center they need through free agency or a potiental side deal

Maybe But i dont think this trade gets it done
Id say the stars would want Neimla, a first and kerfoot as a min for Hintz

That’s a need that can be filled through free agency

Nope there is F**k all in FA for LD this year at least quality ones, Chariot is the best one so thats saying something

I used a tactic many gms use called pick adding

I put our first at a very low value considering we will pick in the high 20s and Ny second round pick will be in the top tens therefore it is easy to compare these 2 picks plus adding the fifth I think equates the first. As for Niemila I think Joey Andersen needs a chance he has never been given a proper chance in the nhl. This season was huge for him and he is still on the younger side I think he still has hope

Realistically your looking for a second pairing Ld which really isn’t crazy hard to find. Many teams have younger guys playing that role I really don’t think it’s gonna mess you guys getting that.

Last year Hintz had 43 points in 41 games. Kerfoot had 23 points in 56. Year before that Hintz was playing his first whole year in NHL and scored 33 points in 60 games, compared to Kerfoot's 28 in 65. Hintz has been a better player throughout the time he's been playing in NHL.

Also you still haven't taken into account the fact that TOR is in term of production top5 team in the league, while DAL is a bottom-10 one.

Hintz in Toronto is a 90-point player. The difference is much, much bigger than a fringe NHLer, a 2nd rounder and a 5th rounder.

The fact Hintz was a 2nd round pick means absolutely nothing. Even Kucherov was that. The pick is a complete question mark and has a standard value, which is far from the difference between Hintz and Kerfoot.

I don’t know what’s more mind boggling, the Hintz trade or the fact that the original poster is actually trying justify the trade.

It’s an awful trade for Dallas. They’re not going to trade a PPG, top-line center over the last 2 years that’s shown no signs of slowing down for a guy who’s AT BEST a .5 PPG, middle-6 winger in Dallas on an expiring deal (Kerfoot), a prospect that AT BEST is a bottom-6 forward (Anderson), another prospect that’s likely going to be a career AHL’er (Kral), a late top-50 pick, and a 5th rounder.

Try to spin it all you want, but there’s actually zero benefit for Dallas both now & in the future. They lose today & they lose tomorrow with this deal & the fact that 3rd party fans are telling you the same thing should be cause for you to reevaluate your stance on the deal.

Actually we need a guy to play with Parayko so that is 20 mins an night at a min, Definitely need a 3rd LD at the least

I have re evaluated my sight on the deal but I respectfully disagree with saying there is no benifit for Dallas in the future. Hintz was a second round pick as well

Hintz was a PPG last year as well, when Kerfoot put up 23 points in 56 games. I just think that the track record is there for Hintz to be considered at *worst* a low-end top line forward - 41 points in 43 GP last year, followed up by 37 goals this year? That's top line stuff at a middle 6 salary. Kerfoot put up *fine* numbers but you keep acting like it's *just* a 20 point difference between the 2 while not acknowledging the idea that Kerfoot might have been a beneficiary of finally getting a solid place in the lineup with Tavares & Nylander after spending a lot of time with the likes of Spezza, Engvall & Mikheyev the 2 years before this.

Depth pieces like Anderson and Kral really don't bring any value to the table - they're AHL guys who maybe come up for 10-15 games if someone gets hurt. Anderson having a decent year in the AHL as a 23 year old isn't something I'm going to get too excited over - he still only put up 42 points in 56 games down there, for what it's worth.

As far as trying to get another Hintz with that pick in the 2nd, sure, it could happen, but statistically it's unlikely. Here's a decade worth of guys picked #45, from 2007 through 2016:

-Colby Cohen (3 GP with the 2010-11 Avs, 0 points)
-Zac Dalpe (154 GP over an improbable 11 NHL seasons, the quintessential AHL tweener)
-Jeremy Morin (82 GP over parts of 5 seasons, 10-12-22 overall)
-Ryan Spooner (325 GP over 7 seasons, 167 career points, peaked as a 45ish point player on the Claude Julien Bruins)
-Markus Granlund (335 GP over 7 seasons, 101 career points, was a 25 point, good D center)
-Anthony Stolarz (62 GP over 5 seasons, .915 SV% & 2.73 GAA, had almost half those games this season for a mediocre Ducks team)
-Nick Sorensen (5 GP, 1 assist with the 2016-17 Ducks)
-Brett Pollock (no NHL games, 107 career AHL GP with 35 points, playing in the DEL now)
-Jakob Forsbacka-Karlsson (29 GP, 3-6-9 over 2 seasons with Boston)
-Chad Krys (no NHL time, 100 AHL GP with 25 points, let go by original team and now with the Marlies)

There's a couple more recently drafted guys that look interesting (Alex Texier, Scott Perunovich) but they're still too young to make a definitive call on. But that's why I really can't see Dallas putting so much stock in maybe finding another Hintz with that pick - finding a guy like that in the second round is the exception to the rule. Or, as I've said before, I can't picture Jim Nill saying "Sure we've got Roope Hintz - but that 2nd rounder could be anything. It could even be a Roope Hintz!"

Agree but I can see Jim Nill saying “sure we’ve got Roope Hintz” but that second rounder could be anything maybe even roope Hintz and we get a top 6 forward and a prospect and a 5th and a depth piece

Would you trade Mitch Marner for a 2nd round pick because you could get a Nikita Kucherov out of it?

Yeah didn't think so.

Is Mitch Marner Roope Hintz ? I never said it’s because you can get Roope Hintz I said it’s because of having a top 10 second compared to Toronto 26th first. Adding the fifth to that and Joey Andersen adds up to at least that value

No, but the point still stands. We're talking about two first liners and the second best forwards of each team respectively. Hintz's value to Dallas is similar to Marner's value for Leafs. You don't trade that sort of assets for "potential but extremely unlikely future asset"

Joey Anderson and 5th is worth basically a 4th round pick. Which is pretty much nothing.

Delete that Dallas trade. Lol