i think flames are gonna have to pay a little more to dump Monohan. Leafs payed a 1st to dump Marleau with a very similar contract when cap space wasn't stagnant

Some good thoughts on the trades. Like the UFA signings.

If we can get more/don’t have to dump Suter for the second I’m pretty down. But there are those who believe he has “some” value or isn’t quite a full 2nd to dump on his own,

Not a chance Edmonton accepts that. Kassian's buyout would cost them just $675k next year, they aren't throwing in Puljujarvi to move him.

If I'm Calgary I take that offer and run, have to pay a second but you rid yourself of Monahan and the cap hit for Suter half retained. That's a great deal for Calgary, you get a third line centre and you get relief for the free agents

So probably went too far in the other direction then? (2nd And monahan for future considerations was considered too expensive). The cheap third line Center and salary cap are supposed to be really enticing to Calgary. Maybe I should add another pick coming back?

What’s a realistic PP trade look like given it seems he’s out in Edmonton? Would foegele dump be better? Certainly not picks?

Why do you think he's out in Edmonton? I'm not seeing any justification for that.

Holland’s interview. The reports from credible insiders. The cap situation while they still need significant changes and a goalie.

Holland was asked about Puljujarvi's next contract and responded that he hasn't talked to his agent yet. What about that indicates that Puljujarvi is on his way out??

In any case, your valuation is all wrong. Puljujarvi's on-ice impact was top-5 in the league this year, he's not a throw-in.

As long as you sign Copp I'm good with the Monahan trade. I don't like losing Bertuzzi but that might be worth it. But I don't think Carolina would accept that. I'm not big on JP and I never have been so.....

The Carolina fans I’ve seen said Necas + bear would be their starter offer. But Necas + 1st was also slightly too much. So this was the compromise.

As for PP no one seems to be consistent with his value at all. He’s either the messiah or not worth it. And everytime I ask someone to clarify they don’t present an alternative. So might just drop that for mkiii. Lots of right wingers with this anyways.

So he was top 5 in the league, but can’t score to save his life while playing with McDavid? Sounds about right why he would be on his way out. Whether PJ’s on ice impact was top 5 or bottom 5 in the league isn’t what matters to other teams. First glance they will see he played with McDavid for most of the season and couldn’t even put up 40 points. If he can’t even do that with McDavid, what’s the likelihood other teams can get more offensive production out of him. He is elite defensively, and would more than likely benefit from going to a team that actually has a structured defensive game, but his offensive game is not good enough to warrant him to get anything more than a 2nd in most people’s eyes.

As for the Canes trade, I’m not sure Canes do that since it seems they are running it back. Valuation is fine albeit probably still a bit high since Necas still can take that next step.

That was more or less the view. Kassian 3.2m hit for 2 years to avoid a buyout affecting them for 4 would be ~2nd round worth.

At this point asking for more then that for Pulju would be like wings fans asking for more then a high second for zadina - who is significantly younger and has more time to grow into a player who produces. Similar story though - when playing top six minutes, really good underlying metrics - and then doesn’t score.

We’ll see re Carolina. It’s called a dream that wouldn’t happen for a reason. I’m not even sure Steve is likely to trade bert. But as long as the valuation is close I’m happy - bert would be a real strong add for a push, great physical player who racks up points, 30 goal scorer, and they’d have him for less than 3m to boot. All depends on what the canes are looking at next year. The risk of course to Detroit would be Necas might never make that step and had a meh year.

If you look at JPs stats compared to Zadina's and take in to account Zadina is a season behind JP they are on a very similar trajectory. About 75% of JPs points this year involved McDavid or Draisaitl That is where I stand on JP.

Sure, which is why i put his value at about a second (which is what I value a 3.2m (6.4m) over 2 years dump as). He is a bigger older zadina. I think he might benefit from a non oilers system though, especially with his defensive strengths

Carolina was paid to buy him out so its not completely the same but you have the right priciple

He's worth more than a 2nd.
Here's why.

He's among the very best in the league in on-ice impact:

CF% Rel: 4th among all forwards
FF% Rel: 5th
SF% Rel: 4th
GF% Rel: 5th
xGF% Rel: 3rd

NST link

You don't trade a young who has a top-5 impact in the entire league, especially when he's relatively affordable. There's no logical justification for it.

PJ is one of those players who is more valuable to his own team compared to a team acquiring him. I get that, but comparing his offense to his defense is like comparing hockey to basketball. They are worlds apart. And teams look at a players offensive capabilities before looking at their defensive capabilities. And while there are exceptions to this unwritten rule, they are few are far between.

Many people, me included, view PJ as an older Kakko. Elite defensively, garbage offensively, even when they play with elite offensive players. PJ might be top 5 in the league in on ice impact, but that only gets you so far when you don’t score. PJ might not be labeled a complete bust yet, but he is going nowhere fast. Kind of why Kakko is a scratch tonight in favor of a 4th liner. If that is PJ’s future, I don’t know, but it’s looking like that is where he is heading. No acquiring team is going to pay more than a second for can’t even put up 40 points while flanking McDavid. And that microscope that he is under won’t help the Oilers.

From the link I posted which you clearly didn't read:

"Impressively, J.P. leads the forward group at both ends of the sheet; the Oilers have scored 3.38 goals per 60 when he’s out there (Draisaitl is second at 3.20, McDavid third at 3.11), and allowed just 1.97 per 60 (Kane is second at 2.00, Ryan McLeod third at 2.34)."

He facilitates offense in a big way, he just doesn't do a lot of scoring himself. If you follow the link and read to the end you'll see his grade A shot contributions are behind only McDavid, Draisaitl and Hyman. He's far from "garbage offensively" - that's just a terrible, uninformed take.

He's worth more than a 2nd.