I seriously don’t understand how Habs fans think a package around those players gets 2OA

That is cause the last time the 1st was traded was before the cap era. What did you want me to just make crap up? Ok how about this then, 2013 Corey Schneider for 9th OVA, Schneider was a good goalie but he wasn't on the same level as Caufield + Guhle + 26th OVA.

Actually Caufield + Guhle + 26th is almost the equivalent of what the Nordiques got for Lindros (Forsberg + Ron Hextall + Steve Duchesne + Kerry Huffman + Mike Ricci +$15 million + two first-round picks) but Lindros was a generational talent Nemec and Slafkovsky are not.

I don’t get why this matters though. Verbeek decides who’s traded, not Gibson. Plenty of players get moved when they don’t want to. He can submit 10 teams that he can’t be moved to, but that’s it. Guhle and a late first for him isn’t terrible. Would be great to pair with undersized Drys

It matters because certain players have earned the right to have more than their no-trade list determine where they get traded. Verbeek trading Gibson somewhere he doesn't want to go and someplace no one else does either would have a chilling effect on all future negotiations with UFAs and RFAs. Verbeek isn't going to trade Gibson if he doesn't want to go any more than he would have traded Getzlaf somewhere he didn't want to go, or Rob Blake trade Jonathan Quick somewhere he doesn't want to go. Yes, the GM always has the ultimate say, but there are practical limitations as well as theoretical ones. Moreover, my point was that the whole excuse for this two-day barrage of moronic Gibson trades was generated by an entirely concocted clickbait-seeking story by a pseudo-reporter and this interview debunks that "foundation."

By the way, Guhle and a late first would be a pathetic return for Gibson.

Cooley really didnt have much of a season in the USHL, he's all promise. Caufield is already a proven scorer in the NHL. The hardest thing to do is score goals, Caufield does it. Cooley can dangle and as a small center theres about 4, 5 in the league at his size that has any kind of real success.

This draft isnt going to weild a package like you think. The top 3 picks in 2022 wouldnt go top 7 in 2023. The 2nd overall wasnt much of a win. Many such as Scott Wheeler said that it was hardly a difference maker from 5OA. Nemec/Jiricek will probably be the best players from this draft when everything is said and done.

It doesnt matter at all. What is Gibson going to say besides the cliches, he's a hockey player. They pick the same suits, same looking wives and same platitudes

Nobody actually believes the 2OA will be traded. Of course, Jersey will ask for the moon as you will always pay what you are willing to pay. Makes no sense for anyone to offer more than a top6 player with term in his prime in this kind of draft class.

I can agree with a lot of that. Especially the influx of ridiculous Gibby deals that came as a result of garbage ‘reporting’. However, I think putting Gibson in the same category as Quick or Getz is a bit of a stretch. A player that was signed to a long term deal, who then underperformed expectations (albeit that’s not entirely his fault at all) and receives a new GM shouldn’t be granted immunity from being moved. And I’ve personally been hoping for a Gibby deal since the TDL, because I think we’ll have another strong option from within the system by the time we’re competitive. Is this deal perfect? Nah. But essentially 2 firsts for Gibby (one of which that’s complementary to what we need) is nowhere near the garbage that I’ve been seeing

Iron Kaiden Guhle has even past Sanderson as a prospect. Just dominated the WHL playoffs, winning the MVP and will be captain of team Canada at WHJC. He has all the tools of another Shea Weber. The best thing that happened to the Habs was beating the Pens in the bubble, finishing outside the lottery and letting all the GMs pass on Guhle for guys like Marco Rossi, Perfetti same as GMs did in 2019 letting Caufield fall into the Habs laps at 15OA.
I dont think Guhle is available as he's seen as the future top pair D on the left side.

You are asking for the Habs best goal scorer, top LHD prospect and a 1st rounder. Maybe for a 2023 1st rounder that is already set in the top5, even then it would be a pass. No asset outside a established player such as a generational player is worth that package.

So…
Caufield = Forsberg + Ricci
Guhle = Duschene + Hextall + $15m
#26 = two 1sts that turned out to be top-10s

Makes sense
Good comp.

How in the world do you get to that package being worth a generational player?

Caufield looks good, but he did get sent down to AHL (from a pretty bad team) this year. Guhle hasnt played pro hockey of any level. And the pick is #26.

jack Eichel. How in the world did you forget about that return? Caufield is more valuable than Alex Tuch and Peyton Krebs if you actually refute that then I dont know what to tell you or you just forgot about the underwhelming Eichel return. Sending down to the AHL is absolutely a nothing burger. He was one of the top goal scorers in the NHL to finish the season, I shouldnt have to mention this but you are being very selective in your arguments to fit your own narrative. Then you're adding a 1st and a top tier prospect as said previously by campabee that is a Eric Lindros type return package.

You argue Guhle despite all the accolades hasnt proven anything in the NHL so his worth is low meanwhile you are trading a draft pick that hasnt played in the NHL. The disconnect is unbelievable.

Slafkovsky could at best be a Caulfield and you are somehow adding to that. You're an extremely delusional person

Caufield = Forsberg (at the time)
Guhle = Duchesne + Huffman
1st = Ricci

Hextall was worth a 2nd and 3rd

The other 2 1sts and Simon were future considerations and at the time of the trade it was unknown what they would be.

Perhaps this will help you realize how ridiculous it is for people on here to say it will cost the equivalent of 3 1sts to acquire 2nd OVA.

Jack Eichel last year was traded for Krebs + Tuch + 1st + 3rd so 2 1st + 2nd + 2 3rds (giving a value of 2nd + 3rd for Tuch which might be a bit high). Anyone asking for 3 1sts is saying that 2nd OVA is more valuable than Jack Eichel.

Your views of both Caufield and Guhle are so out of mainstream it’s hard to respond.

You were arguing earlier that Caufield + Guhle would get an established generational player.

Does Edmonton trade McDavid for those two? Does Toronto trade Matthews for those two?

Honestly. What is happening here.

Do we really need to answer this? Multiple people from different fan bases are telling you how ridiculous asking 3 1st round value picks is for 2nd over all in a weak draft. If you don't know the answer to your own question then there is no helping you.

Caufield and Guhle were both top 16 selections in their drafts. Forsberg at the time of the Lindros trade was a good prospect but wasn't viewed to be any better than Caufield currently is, otherwise the return for Lindros would have been significantly less. Guhle is an NHL ready prospect who has top pairing potential. Duchesne was a good player and his value at the time might have been 2 2nd round picks but Huffman was just an add on player kind of like if we included Clague in any trades.

This guy is a waste of time. He called Josh Anderson a cap dump last month when Seravalli confirmed the huge interest in his weekend column. Mainstream? He doesnt even know where the remote on the couch is hiding!