Sure. But at the end of the day garland was better last year 5v5 than nylander. Maybe nylander is better next year maybe garland is better again.

Not worth the Canucks adding a 1st and $2 million in cap hit plus losing two years of control for a player who was outperformed this past season at the area Canucks need the most help

Keep him then

It's obvious that Nylander is elite talent and Garland isn't but at the end of the day you can look at analytics all you want or potential, never really know if someone is going to be an upgrade until you see how they fit in a team's system vs the old guy.

Then keep him. Also where is Kerfoot in the 5v5 points per 60? Answer that and then tell me why Garland is better than Kerfoot?

The move makes no sense for either guy, the only reason he's moving Nylander is his cap hit is needed to bring in Kane and maybe to get a little "tougher", changing a core piece for a rental that is going to cost you a boatload of assets and almost has a 100% chance of walking (if he even considers leaving in the first place for Tor) to play with another new guy to the team is a recipe for chemistry failure.

Sure.

Last year:

Kerfoot 2.45
Nylander 2.13

Garland 2.62

Last three years combined:

Kerfoot 2.04
Nylander 2.23

Garland 2.38

We good now? Garland out paced both last year and outpaced both over the last 3 years

Yeah agreed actually. Leafs shaking up their core is the wrong move imo. Change for the sake of change is a great way to kill a franchise, plus Nylnder is a super important piece to their PP.

Garland scores better 5v5 but Nylnder fits the leafs better

So long as I don't have to have this stupid conversation ever again I'll be good.

You never know who is going to crack under the pressure in Toronto, the expectations are high and there's a ton of media coverage.

Might just be me but when I see the Leafs PP, I feel like he's under utilized, almost as if he's not allowed to shoot unless he has an open shot or they are looking for a tip in.

I think Nylnder does a great job of getting into the soft areas on the PP and finding Tavares in the bumper.

That said, sometimes it feels like the goal of the leafs pp is to get the puck to Matthews, rather than to score.

I still don’t understand how these Leafs fans get triggered so easily. Vancouver doesn’t need to upgrade on wing. Not really hard to comprehend lmao

No because you sit here with your fingers in your ears and go lalala everytime someone says a leafs player isn't as good as a player or the that in a team that greatly benefits the leafs you still argue and say the other team should get more, I think we have good players but they haven't proven **** in this league

Atleast I don't overvalue leafs players like crazy

Not at all true. I chirp back when people talk like Nylander is a 3rd liner, or Kerfoot sucks or Holl sucks or Muzzin is done. Most players in this league haven't proven ****. Yet somehow they are immune to abuse lobbed around on here. McDavid gets not abuse and what has he won apart from some individual awards. A couple rounds? Who cares. Matthews won a bunch of individual awards this year, but what does that matter unless you win the cup.

What's my point here? According to most on here, everyone on the Leafs is either declining massively, an AHL player or a cap dump. Sometimes all 3. I just don't get swayed but that crap or back down from it. JT isn't showing huge decline, neither is Muzzin. Rielly isn't the worst defenceman in the league defensively. Nylander isn't a soft floater who never goes to the net. Kerfoot isn't an AHL player. Holl is a very valuable depth defenceman on a good contract. But when I say that, the haters shout Homer and lob insults. Then some "Leaf fan" call us stupid because we don't just wilt to that bull****.

Nice user name champ

Literally no one here has said Nylander is a 3rd liner, saying Kerfoot a 3rd liner as well isn't disrespectful he really should be it's our LW depth that has him on the 2nd line, Holl is ass like complete under trash so most are right, Muzzin may only have a like a year left in him

Thanks, 60 goals is pretty incredible in this league

I think pots commenting on the shades of kettles is pretty amusing

So you are just one of those "listen to troll nation" fans. See ya

Yeah he is

Kerfoot, not Nylander

We will in that case

Garland isn't overpaid, and OEL and Myers aren't plugs. Homer confirmed!

Nylander is the better total player. However, garland is a better 5v5 play driver

I think they will add a couple more low risk, high reward signings that could turn into really good depth pieces. I would like a little more sand paper but it has to be someone who can play. Kill penalties, or score a bit more. Another Kampf with a bit more finish would be good.