CHI declines.

Sabres decline
And that’s a laughable proposal

Draft pick value chart has it at:

Mtl out: 392 (36 OA + 67 OA)
Buffalo out: 283 (28 OA)

Not that Arizona would (should?) ever give up that 2nd for Drouin, but it's technically an overpay on the Habs end.

This might be the first somewhat reasonable Anderson-Isles trade I've seen. He's not worth the 13th overall (much less the 13th overall plus Beauvillier), but I could maybe see a trade down scenario like this. Although I'd expect the Isles would want the late 1st Montreal got from Calgary (or Florida in this ACGM) rather than a 2nd.

Buffalo has no interest in trading quality for quantity, especially since they already have a quantity of draft picks. If anything they may be looking to package draft picks for players that fit the current core.

The difference between 28 and 36 isn't really much quality, especially in this draft, but I understand...I'm certainly not defending the trade, just saying that data suggests that this would actually be a poor move for the Habs, especially given that 15OA to 60-70ish OA is kinda a crap shoot at this point.

Sabres not looking to give up a 1st for multiple picks later
We have 11 picks in this draft already
And we have extra 2nd round picks (3 total) next year as well

Last thing we’re trying to do is acquire “quantity” over “quality”
It’s not gonna happen dude

It’s funny when people just shut their minds down after they’ve read the part that they don’t like, and just skip over the rest. I couldn’t give two kangaroos whether you like it or not, because I don’t have a horse in the race. All I’ve pointed out is that your opinion that you’re getting ripped off is a pretty big stretch considering what historical data suggests that the value of those picks actually is. I get being a homer, and that’s cool and everything, but sometimes it’s easier to have a logical conversation when you actually add perspective.

I understand, and possibly I’m wrong and this is a move the Sabres would be interested in. However, I don’t expect they would be. It’s my hope they are looking to acquire a Young RFA that someone else can’t afford who can fit into the core of the current lineup. I would actually be kind of disappointed if they didn’t try to at least trade up in the draft instead of using all the extra picks they have this year.

Like the perspective that since the Sabres already have 11 picks in this draft it’s not logical to think they’d want to trade down to add more picks?

Nice try dude, but u swung & missed on that one

That Sabres are looking for Quality, not Quantity
That perspective matters as well
So they’d obviously prefer the higher pick as opposed to the 2 lower picks, even if they (supposedly) have the same value

Isles trade is close but its the wrong 2nd. That 33rd is basically a first round pick. KH said they werent looking to trade Anderson and it would have to be a really good offer to pry him from MTL. Switch the 2nd to the Oilers’ 2nd and they might do it. Even with the 13th pick the Habs are going to try and move up and theyre gonna need that 33rd oa to do it.

This would need to be a draft day trade.
If Crowe thought the player he was going to pick at 28th OA would be available at 36th OA, I could see him making the deal.
I guess it depends on the chart one uses.
https://www.broadstreethockey.com/2013/4/25/4262594/nhl-draft-pick-value-trading-up 28=16.30 v. 36=10.84 + 67=2.89 total = 13.73
https://theathletic.com/1798463/2020/06/12/by-the-numbers-revisiting-the-true-value-of-a-draft-pick/ 28=3.1 36=2.4 + 67 = 1 total = 3.4
I have always used the first one as it is based on actual trades and when I check it against recent trades it seems to still hold up.
There is a certain flair selecting three times on the first day that cannot be overlooked.
On the other hand, Jeramiah Crowe may want to have that extra dart to throw at the draft board.
Let's agree to disagree as the charts are just guesses at the value of each pick and do not correlate well.
Who would have thought the 79th OA pick (Point) in the 2014 draft was more valuable than the 2nd OA pick (Reinhart) from that year's draft.

I tend to agree and I also think MTL would need to add, but those extra darts are intriguing.
There is another side, those extra picks may allow Crowe to move up in the draft to get a player as Peterka.

Cheers! By no means am I advocating that the Sabres should make the move, which seems to have been lost amongst a lot of folks Just felt the original "WE'RE GETTIN' RIPPED OFF" was a bit of an exaggeration.

And realistically, teams trading up do have to overpay when it happens.

They've already been offered the 13th OA. That isn't enough. Anderson is already what Slafkovsky could be! It's the magic beans syndrome. This draft has more below average/have more question marks than usual. 13th overall isnt much more than a maybe. Anderson literally terrorizes teams. He helped break the Bolts in 2019 and the Leafs defence in 2021 playoffs, they wouldnt even touch the puck in their end by the end of the series. He does so much that the casual fan doesnt notice because they havent played the game. This is exactly what GMs are saying and you are wrong because they are calling the Habs with HUGE interest.

If Gauthier, Kemmel, Lekkerimaki arent the in that range, there really isnt much but a lot of risk at 13th OA. Ppl are way overvaluing the value of this pick. I feel no different about the 26th pick from Calgary and this 13th OA. It wont move the needle in all liklehood. They have 14 picks this draft. They need actual quality. Anderson is still very valuable to this team as a mentor and in his prime.
Its such a crapshoot in this particular draft. You have guys like Kevin Korchinski that was ranked everywhere from 60-90th preseason to now 7th ranked NA skater. The development and scouting because of covid has created too much chaos.

This is the same Josh Anderson that got traded two years ago for Max Domi and a 3rd right? Which happened after he "broke the Bolts" in 2019? One goal and one assist in that series BTW, yeah, he sure broke them LOL. His 5 goals and one assist in 20+ playoff games last year were pretty impressive too. You know who had a significantly better playoff last year than Anderson? Anthony Beauvillier.

Agreed. I'm curious as to when the first collective "WHO?!?!?!" will come out

Kinda reminds me of the 2011 draft, where 1-10 were pretty much locks, then it was pure madness afterwords. IMO, 4-5 years down the road a lot of people are going to be in the "Why the F did we pass on (insert name here) to draft this schmuck!".

My beloved Ducks have 10OA and 22OA, and I'd have zero issue if they traded either of those in a package to get someone like DubCat or Chychrun.

I'm not even that thrilled about Shane Wright. From everything I've heard and watched, he's a number 2 center that tops out at 30 goals, 70 points. Ppl really need to get a grip on this draft. They are no game changers. 2023 is miles better. You have 7-8 centers better. Bedard/Michkov are the prizes. If someone can actually show me footage that Slahkovsky is 100% better than Snuggerud, I'd love to see it. They are the same player but ranked one as a high pick and other as a low pick. No one really knows. Its about a 2-3% chance that Slahkovsky has a better future so he's ranked that much higher, He had putrid stats in Liiga. Kotkaniemi even made him look pedestrian.

I've said it from the start Nemec/Jiricek will probably have the biggest impacts. The word around the league right now is that Cale Makar is the piece you build a team around. This is a copycat league. I wouldnt be surprised to see a lot of reaches here.