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Blues aren’t going to retain anything, would need a third team to take on half and canes would eat rest. Also don’t think there’s enough quality in that package. Agree that Honka and ponamarev are solid prospects but imagine blues want one higher end prospect and a first instead of quantity.

Also believe it’s a mistake to move Raanta. Org goalie depth will be important and rather Koochie get a full year starting in the A.

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Jul. 9, 2022 at 10:49 p.m.

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1: Blues decline
2: That condition makes no sense, how would you be able to make phillys 2nd a 1st if you make the cup, when you dont have phillys first?

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Jul. 9, 2022 at 10:57 p.m.

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Oilers don't need a serviceable backup as Skinner losing his waiver exemption and will fill that role. There's a reason Oiler fans suggest Necas, he is only player on the canes that fills Hollands ask of a player that helps the Oilers now and is within the same ballpark value wise.

Jul. 9, 2022 at 11:01 p.m.

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Quoting: vikhodush

My problem is the lack of super high end guys in Carolina’s system. Not having firsts for a while isn’t doing too well for the super high end but the quality they get for their picks is unmatched. Only things I would critique from the 2021 draft was the second round. Could have had stankoven at 44 and raty was the pick right after koivunen. Sure heimosalmi and koivunen are good prospects but not who I wanted as a fan of the team. One year later it is showing, they could have those two assets but it’s fine if they don’t, worse things could happen and can’t be mad with who they have in the system at all. Anyways before that tangent started I was gonna say how the top end talent in the system in my opinion is just morrow, gleb, drury, seeley, and koochie. Personally I think Gunler, pono, honka, suzuki, and lafontaine are all top 5 prospects in the blues system. Our system is weaker at the top but the strongest at the bottom, giving up quantity is in our best interest. Hell I said all of this and forgot completely about nikishin, he could be an option as well. Pashin is pretty solid himself. Letting the blues pick 3-4 guys who would be in their top 5 who aren’t in our top 5 is a pretty good option for them.

Jul. 9, 2022 at 11:04 p.m.

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Drop Retention and make it like (Slavin if the canes gm is dumb) Necas, a first, and Suszki

Jul. 9, 2022 at 11:09 p.m.

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Quoting: BluesTheGreats

1: Blues decline
2: That condition makes no sense, how would you be able to make phillys 2nd a 1st if you make the cup, when you dont have phillys first?

You want it to be the canes 2nd and if they don’t make the cup have it be in the late 50s early 60s. If you want it specified that the pick upgrades from phillys second to the canes first you can have that. Finally, all the prospects offered would be in the blues top 5 as their current pool is. Like I said in the description, do your research and you will be pleasantly surprised with the return on those 3. If the problem is retention then have Chicago retain more and canes can offer up a higher pick to them. Before the draft, the blues had 2 top 60 prospects, bolduc and neighbors, both whom I believe are under morrow. If you want morrow instead he would be the guy you get instead of suzuki and honka and I would say the pick turns into the canes third with the option of upgrading to a second. I’d imagine that if tarasenko isn’t traded before the season starts, his value tanks well below this. I don’t see any other GM offering up what the canes offer here and wouldn’t be surprised if the blues got less than this is tarasenko isn’t traded by the seasons start.

Jul. 9, 2022 at 11:10 p.m.

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I get that but I think the offer gets beat out with quality. I also don’t think Suzuki or lafontaine are valuable right now. Both have regressed for different reasons and I don’t think either are more than throw ins as it stands today.

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Jul. 9, 2022 at 11:20 p.m.

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I get that, I also there being a world where the oilers don’t get the UFA goalie they r searching for. Raanta played really well in the playoffs till fatigue set in which is why he is a backup. Your man Stu isn’t bad at all, but I see Raanta being a guy they would want. Guaranteed goalie on the team with playoff experience. 2.26 gaa and .922 save percentage in a playoffs with tougher competition. Skinner in the same sample size (13 games) posted 2.62 and .913 in regular season games. If no guy gets brought in for Edmonton this is a very real possibility for a 1A 1B situation. I know necas is the only guy the oilers fans trade for pulju but u gotta realize Waddell is on record saying necas isn’t going anywhere. Only way I see him getting moved is for a long term RD aka chychrun. That’s the only way he gets moved. Not for puljujarvi, not for a rental, but for a long term elite RD

Jul. 9, 2022 at 11:20 p.m.

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Quoting: xercuses

Drop Retention and make it like (Slavin if the canes gm is dumb) Necas, a first, and Suszki

Throw in a 7th from the blues and it’s a deal

Jul. 9, 2022 at 11:25 p.m.

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Hey, ya know who else is a Cup contending team? The Blues. You're not getting their leading scorer for an okay stack of futures. And retention is out of the question unless the Canes want to do something epically stupid.

Jul. 9, 2022 at 11:27 p.m.

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Quoting: xercuses

Drop Retention and make it like (Slavin if the canes gm is dumb) Necas, a first, and Suszki

Dude, Suzuki is of no interest whatsoever. They have to offer things the Blues want, not what they want to give up.

Jul. 9, 2022 at 11:29 p.m.

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Quoting: vikhodush

I sadly have to agree with you there. Only reason why I see any teams wanting suzuki or lafontaine is their past accomplishments, not their most recent ones. Suzuki being a first round pick and lafontaine winning goalie of the year in the NCAA is the reason I see them holding any sort of value. I think lafontaine just was thrown into the worst situation he could have had this year. He played awful with Carolina in the NHL, decent in the AHL, but was outshone by pyotr and makiniemi. Going into this season he was our top goalie prospect, now he’s our third. Still I believe he has NHL upside and could be a fringe starter but he has to have a change of scenery. Suzuki just isn’t who he was projected to be. I was hoping he would be making the NHL jump this year. If he balls out in the AHL this season he could make the jump next year but if he isn’t at at least PPG in the AHL this season he’s kinda toast.

Jul. 9, 2022 at 11:40 p.m.

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Unless binnington has an insane bounce back season no they aren’t. Your “top scorer” has wanted out for over a year now, blues aren’t in a playoff position at the TDL, they sell on tarasenko lower than this offer. I wouldn’t be surprised if the blues finish as a lottery team this year, especially after husso leaving. Wouldn’t be surprised if Perron leaves as well. They have 9 mil in cap to work with and an awful goalie. Maybe it’s just me but a cup contending team normally doesn’t have a goalie who has a goalie with a 3.13 gaa and a .900 save percentage.

Jul. 9, 2022 at 11:43 p.m.

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Wow, that's a lot of delusions stacked directly one on top of another. Such balance you have.

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Jul. 9, 2022 at 11:50 p.m.

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Wow, that's a lot of delusions stacked directly one on top of another. Such balance you have.

Ok, come back to this at the TDL and prove me wrong. Otherwise I will continue to believe what I believe based on actions. Blues leaving tarasenko exposed at the expansion draft was a big one. He wanted out is on record requesting a trade, blues tried to incentivize the kraken taking him over dunn. I don’t know how I’m delusional when I’m just speaking the truth. Let’s see where the blues are at the TDL and then you can talk to me

Jul. 10, 2022 at 12:12 a.m.

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Bro, what YEAR do you think this is?

Jul. 10, 2022 at 12:28 a.m.

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Bro, what YEAR do you think this is?

Not 2019

Jul. 10, 2022 at 12:32 a.m.

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Not 2019

Okay, well you're just flailing now. I'll let you be in your fantasies.

Jul. 10, 2022 at 12:33 a.m.

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Okay, well you're just flailing now. I'll let you be in your fantasies.

Jul. 10, 2022 at 12:47 a.m.

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I mean neither are the canes they can’t win on the road against and blew one of the easiest runs to the cup they could’ve had
Blues had to face the Avs and were the only team that looked good against them
Binner is a top 10 goalie rn combined with a top 5 offense, that is a cup contender.
Lastly VT wants to stay, Binner bounced back, and it’s more likely Perron signs under 5 mil than leaves

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Jul. 10, 2022 at 10:23 a.m.

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Names of interest in a Vladi trade. Necas, Slavin, Skjei, Morrow. If it doesn't include atleast one of these names, it's not happening.

Jul. 10, 2022 at 10:31 a.m.

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Names of interest in a Vladi trade. Necas, Slavin, Skjei, Morrow. If it doesn't include atleast one of these names, it's not happening.

Skjei for Tara then

Jul. 10, 2022 at 10:37 a.m.

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Skjei for Tara then

Canes would still have to add with Skjei though, not sure what. Atleast one of those names gets a conversation going. Past that I couldn't say what a fair deal for both teams is.

Jul. 10, 2022 at 10:39 a.m.

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