LEAFS BUILD A TIME MACHINE AND NEVER HIRE DUBAS

Owly

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Quoting: palhal

The Leafs and MLSE have a bunch of high priced executives. Shanahan and his execs seemed to be "Missing in Action" during contract negotiations. Obviously contract negotiations is not a strong point for Dubas but I blame total Leaf management for not getting more reasonable deals for some players. Other comparables were out there but for some reason the Leafs paid a "hometown premium"

Had the pandemic not forced the cap to stay flat, they would have an extra 3-6 million to work with. Your statement is flat wrong.

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Aug. 20, 2022 at 10:48 a.m.

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Owly

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Quoting: Isles5513

That’s not remotely true lmao

It's really not far off. Gibson hasn't been good for 4 years.

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Aug. 20, 2022 at 10:54 a.m.

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Quoting: Logan_Ollivier

It's really not far off. Gibson hasn't been good for 4 years.

Playing for Anaheim will hurt your stats

Aug. 20, 2022 at 11:01 a.m.

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Quoting: Isles5513

Playing for Anaheim will hurt your stats

You better hope playing for Trotz doesn't help goalies stats as he's gone

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Aug. 20, 2022 at 11:02 a.m.

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Quoting: Isles5513

Playing for Anaheim will hurt your stats

But not Ottawa? That's weird

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Aug. 20, 2022 at 11:04 a.m.

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Quoting: Logan_Ollivier

But not Ottawa? That's weird

Murray hasn’t been good since Pittsburgh

Aug. 20, 2022 at 11:04 a.m.

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Quoting: BCAPP

You better hope playing for Trotz doesn't help goalies stats as he's gone

What does that have to do with Gibson

Aug. 20, 2022 at 11:11 a.m.

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Quoting: Logan_Ollivier

Matthews and Dubas said longer term was discussed but the average would have been higher and they compromised. Matthews said at the time he loves it in TO and wants to stay. Next summer he'll resign on an 8 year deal. And everyone will have to come up with a new reason why TO will never be good despite them being really good.

I think he resigns, but could see another 5 year deal which gives him option to sign one more deal - maybe back in ‘zona or down south. I would prefer 8 years, but would be ok with that.

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Aug. 20, 2022 at 11:11 a.m.

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Quoting: Isles5513

What does that have to do with Gibson

Some argue that goalie play is fairly independent of teams. You seem to be arguing it's dependent on teams. As your team has had great goaltending for for 4 straight years. That happens to coincide with one of the best defensive coaches of his generation being your coach. If those who argue coach's/teams strongly influence goalie play were right I'd be nervous as an islanders fan

Aug. 20, 2022 at 11:29 a.m.

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Reread those reports again. Canes shot down Kapanen for Pesce, not Nylander. Carolina asked for Nylander + (I maintain that was the right decision) and Dubas balked. Are you going to add to make it worth it? Because there's a less than 0% chance Waddell would do this now

Aug. 20, 2022 at 11:43 a.m.

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Quoting: BCAPP

I don’t think it’s a system thing. I think it’s about the talent in front of him. NYI didn’t have great d men last year and Soroky and Varly were good. Systems only work if u have talented players. Otherwise they r Bs.

Aug. 20, 2022 at 12:35 p.m.

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Quoting: Isles5513

That’s not remotely true lmao

It really is. Gibson has been a bottom 3 starting goalie in the league for 3+ years now. Every single stat yiu could dream of shows it. The only thing gibson has over murray in a good while is health

Aug. 20, 2022 at 12:36 p.m.

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Quoting: Isles5513

Playing for Anaheim will hurt your stats

Playing for ottawa doesnt? And goalies save about the same amount of shots on a good or a bad team. Bad teams just allow more. Gibson has allowed a much higher percentage of those shots over the past 3 seasons

Aug. 20, 2022 at 12:36 p.m.

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Quoting: JaredOfLondon

Gibson was good this year before Anaheim traded Lindholm and Manson… I’m sure that impacted him

Aug. 20, 2022 at 12:37 p.m.

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Quoting: JaredOfLondon

It really is. Gibson has been a bottom 3 starting goalie in the league for 3+ years now. Every single stat yiu could dream of shows it. The only thing gibson has over murray in a good while is health

I believe Murray could bounce back. But I don’t trust him more than Gibson.

Aug. 20, 2022 at 12:38 p.m.

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Quoting: Isles5513

Gibson was good this year before Anaheim traded Lindholm and Manson… I’m sure that impacted him

Murray was bettet this season before he got hurt. And gibson had those guys the past 2 years+ before. Any goalie can have a good partial season.

Aug. 20, 2022 at 12:39 p.m.

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Quoting: Isles5513

I believe Murray could bounce back. But I don’t trust him more than Gibson.

I trust murray to be better, but i trust gibson to be healthier. If murray cant get over his concussion woes, it wouldnt matter if he was as good as prime hasek when healthy

Aug. 20, 2022 at 12:41 p.m.

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Quoting: JaredOfLondon

Murray was bettet this season before he got hurt. And gibson had those guys the past 2 years+ before. Any goalie can have a good partial season.

Murray was good after being sent down

Aug. 20, 2022 at 12:41 p.m.

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Quoting: JaredOfLondon

Murray was bettet this season before he got hurt. And gibson had those guys the past 2 years+ before. Any goalie can have a good partial season.

Goalies r weird tbh. But I’d still put Gibson in my top ten nhl goalies tbh.

Aug. 20, 2022 at 12:43 p.m.

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Quoting: Isles5513

Goalies r weird tbh. But I’d still put Gibson in my top ten nhl goalies tbh.

You're not the only one. Dont think ive seen a goalie get this much runway ever, though hart is right there

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Aug. 20, 2022 at 12:48 p.m.

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Quoting: JaredOfLondon

You're not the only one. Dont think ive seen a goalie get this much runway ever, though hart is right there

Gibson was really good for a long time. He’s had bad luck but I still believe in him

Aug. 20, 2022 at 12:51 p.m.

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Quoting: Isles5513

Gibson was really good for a long time. He’s had bad luck but I still believe in him

Well at this point he's been real real bad about as long as he was real real good, it's not impossible he finds his game, but the late 20s is when time starts to catch up with everyone, i just dont think it's likely

Aug. 20, 2022 at 12:52 p.m.

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Quoting: JaredOfLondon

Ryan Miller’s reputation was better than his play for a long time in Buffalo so I get ur point. I just feel that whenever I watch Gibson he looks good. Idk man lol. Sometimes with goalies I just trust my gut because they r too ****ing weird to figure out with analytics lol

Aug. 20, 2022 at 1:43 p.m.

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Quoting: Isles5513

Murray hasn’t been good since Pittsburgh

So two seasons? While playing in Ottawa, where his stats have been comparable to Gibson minus when he got hurt the year before last. Also Murray was better than Campbell in the 2nd half of last season before getting hurt. So tell me, how does playing with Ottawa not hurt a guy but playing for Anaheim makes it excusable?

Aug. 20, 2022 at 1:43 p.m.

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