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Tor - Ari Sending Matt the suitcase Murray to the desert

Created by: IjustNEEDaTROYgamble
Published: Oct. 15, 2022 at 6:36 p.m.
Salary Cap: $82,500,000
Season Days: 180/185 (97%)
Central Registry Determination: This trade has met the central registry's trade checklist

Logo of the Arizona CoyotesArizona Coyotes

OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Vejmelka, KarelArizona CoyotesNHL20%$2,121,081011-------0.060.001
Välimäki, JuusoArizona CoyotesNHL-$1,508,108011---0000--
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Murray, MattToronto Maple LeafsLTIR-$4,560,811011-------0.040.001
Niemelä, TopiWaivers ExemptToronto Maple LeafsMinor-$0011---0000--
2023 1st round pick (Logo of the Toronto Maple LeafsTOR)---100------
2024 2nd round pick (Logo of the Toronto Maple LeafsTOR)---010------
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$16,921,43423447431513
Change-$931,622-200110
Final$15,989,812 (↓)21 (↓)44744 (↑)16 (↑)13000

Logo of the Toronto Maple LeafsToronto Maple Leafs

OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Murray, MattToronto Maple LeafsLTIR-$4,687,500011-------0.040.001
Niemelä, TopiWaivers ExemptToronto Maple LeafsMinor-$0011---0000--
2023 1st round pick (Logo of the Toronto Maple LeafsTOR)---100------
2024 2nd round pick (Logo of the Toronto Maple LeafsTOR)---010------
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Vejmelka, KarelArizona CoyotesNHL20%$2,180,000011-------0.060.001
Välimäki, JuusoArizona CoyotesNHL-$1,550,000011---0000--
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$3,937,5002050693411
Change-$3,730,000200-1-10
Final$207,500 (↓)22 (↑)50692 (↓)3 (↓)11000
Oct. 15, 2022 at 7:37 p.m.
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WHy would the Leafs pay that massive amount for someone to take him, when we can just put him on LTIR and use the cap space? Even if we couldn't, this is a brutal deal.
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Oct. 15, 2022 at 8:04 p.m.
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LOL, NOW you want Valimaki?

I suppose it makes sense in one respect. Dubass really likes ex Flames defenseman.
Oct. 15, 2022 at 11:52 p.m.
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LOL, NOW you want Valimaki?

I suppose it makes sense in one respect. Dubass really likes ex Flames defenseman.


This guy's not a Leaf fan, he's a VAN fan..............as you can tell by his VAN involved trades LOL
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Oct. 16, 2022 at 3:46 p.m.
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Lets go Canucklehea
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This guy's not a Leaf fan, he's a VAN fan..............as you can tell by his VAN involved trades LOL

I’m actually a Penguins fan
Oct. 16, 2022 at 5:01 p.m.
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Quoting: IjustNEEDaTROYgamble
I’m actually a Penguins fan


Fair enough,......you're profile says VAN then PIT
Oct. 17, 2022 at 10:00 a.m.
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If Murray rejected the Buffalo trade I don't think he would go to Arizona.
Oct. 18, 2022 at 2:05 p.m.
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If Murray rejected the Buffalo trade I don't think he would go to Arizona.


AZ no offense to Buffalo is a lot nicer in the winter which is the main part of hockey season.
Oct. 18, 2022 at 2:46 p.m.
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couldnt afford 2nd t
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Quoting: Dutchies
WHy would the Leafs pay that massive amount for someone to take him, when we can just put him on LTIR and use the cap space? Even if we couldn't, this is a brutal deal.


They can only do that if he is out indefinitely.

If he is periodically hurt for a few weeks at a time, they need to maintain a fluid cap situation so that they have enough cap space to activate him for his short periods of play between hurting himself.

I assume based on Buffalo being on his NTC, he probably has all the rebuilding/cap dump teams on his no trade list. He wants to be in Toronto, he will not waive to go anywhere else.

The Sens got lucky to find a mark to move him. I highly doubt the Leafs will be that lucky. His buyout cap hit next season is 687.5k for Toronto, and then 2M the season after that. If things don't work out, I could see Toronto using a buyout. Assuming Murray would be buried in the AHL otherwise, they would save roughly 3M next season and 1.6M the season after that. The only caveat is that Murray would have to be cleared of injuries to get bought out.

The other alternative would be to attach a 1st round pick to Murray and see if someone would acquire him in the off season with the expectation that they buyout Murray. Toronto could still sign Murray after a different team buys him out for them (See Orpik WSH/COL). They could offer Murray a 1-2 year 1.125M contract as part of the deal. Murray loses 2.64M as part of a buyout, so he would mostly be made whole. If he fails again, they can bury him in the AHL at no consequence to them, and work on trying to rehab his game.
Oct. 18, 2022 at 3:55 p.m.
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AZ no offense to Buffalo is a lot nicer in the winter which is the main part of hockey season.


It wasn't because of the weather than he wouldn't have made the 60 miles difference between Buffalo and Toronto, besides that Arizona doesn't even have a NHL arena.. Many agents are advising players not to go there.
Oct. 18, 2022 at 3:57 p.m.
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It wasn't because of the weather than he wouldn't have made the 60 miles difference between Buffalo and Toronto, besides that Arizona doesn't even have a NHL arena.. Many agents are advising players not to go there.


Probably not however in a poll of players when asked their least desired destination. Buffalo was by far the most answered. It has management that rivals AZ in ineptitude.
Oct. 18, 2022 at 3:59 p.m.
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couldnt afford 2nd t
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Quoting: Dan_the_Man
AZ no offense to Buffalo is a lot nicer in the winter which is the main part of hockey season.


Murray manufactured things to get traded to Toronto.

I think he suspected that if a trade didn't materialize, Ottawa might buy him out, and he could sign in Toronto. Or, Dorion would get desperate enough to move him with more than 25 percent retained, which was the limit Dorion initially set on retention.

The goal a player has with a NTC is to maintain as much control as possible. You have to assume that did not include teams that would be low on cap space, or that already had long term starting goalies. You have to assume he included teams with cap space and no goalies. I doubt he wants to go to a team that has no stake in rehabbing his career like Arizona. Additionally, Arizona won't want his contract because he is owed higher money than his cap hit.
Oct. 18, 2022 at 4:08 p.m.
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Murray manufactured things to get traded to Toronto.

I think he suspected that if a trade didn't materialize, Ottawa might buy him out, and he could sign in Toronto. Or, Dorion would get desperate enough to move him with more than 25 percent retained, which was the limit Dorion initially set on retention.

The goal a player has with a NTC is to maintain as much control as possible. You have to assume that did not include teams that would be low on cap space, or that already had long term starting goalies. You have to assume he included teams with cap space and no goalies. I doubt he wants to go to a team that has no stake in rehabbing his career like Arizona. Additionally, Arizona won't want his contract because he is owed higher money than his cap hit.


I get that , and AZ is probably on there. My point however is Buffalo was on there so AZ is too and that's all you bring is Lazy
Oct. 18, 2022 at 4:17 p.m.
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Quoting: Dan_the_Man
Probably not however in a poll of players when asked their least desired destination. Buffalo was by far the most answered. It has management that rivals AZ in ineptitude.


Either way Murray not waving for Arizona.
Oct. 18, 2022 at 4:19 p.m.
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Either way Murray not waving for Arizona.


They could just say we'll waive you and unless Montreal claims him he'll have No Choice.
Oct. 18, 2022 at 4:22 p.m.
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They could just say we'll waive you and unless Montreal claims him he'll have No Choice.


That a great way to get free agency to sign there in the future.
Oct. 18, 2022 at 7:07 p.m.
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Edited Oct. 18, 2022 at 10:09 p.m.
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That a great way to get free agency to sign there in the future.

Toronto is really going to have that much of an issue attracting Free agents?
Oct. 19, 2022 at 12:38 p.m.
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couldnt afford 2nd t
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Quoting: Dan_the_Man
I get that , and AZ is probably on there. My point however is Buffalo was on there so AZ is too and that's all you bring is Lazy


If that is all you get from that post, that is on you, not on me for having a 'lazy' argument.
 
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