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What does Demko to NJ look like

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Team: 2022-23 Vancouver Canucks
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 6, 2022
Published: Nov. 6, 2022
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Playing around with the idea of A Canucks rebuild. Assume Canucks can take Tatar for cap reasons.

I’m unsure on what NJs prospect pool is like. However with how well NJ is doing I could see them making a swing for a goalie and if Demko were available (in this hypothetical world) I imagine he’d be a top option.

If anyone has any trade proposals (to NJ or anywhere else) I’d love to hear them
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    What does New Jersey give up? The dream is Nemec 1-1 but that’s probably way to much (I think? Not sure how to evaluate goalies)

    This is would be my asking price

    Either 1 really good prospect (like Nemec) but that’s probably unrealistic

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    Nov. 6, 2022 at 4:45 p.m.
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    Edited Nov. 6, 2022 at 4:53 p.m.
    NJD 2024 1st, Marino and Holtz for Demko + VAN 2023 3rd rd pick
    Nov. 6, 2022 at 4:45 p.m.
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    Sorry but after starting the year with 8 games with the SV% of 0.876, I'd call this a wrong time to go ship Demko elsewhere. You should trade him when the iron is hot to maximize the value.

    Whether or not his poor start has affected his value or not is up for debate, but it's safe to say that in 2022-23 season Demko has been dogsh*t.
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    Nov. 6, 2022 at 4:52 p.m.
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    no thanks I’m happy with the goaltending currently
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    Nov. 6, 2022 at 4:54 p.m.
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    1-6-2, 3.90, .879

    Right now his value is the lowest its ever been

    I don't expect him the Devils to overpay for him right now when they're 9-1 in their last 10 and their goalies have played better than Demko statically. If it aint broke, don't fix it
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    Nov. 6, 2022 at 4:55 p.m.
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    Quoting: Devil
    1-6-2, 3.90, .879

    Right now his value is the lowest its ever been

    I don't expect him the Devils to overpay for him right now when they're 9-1 in their last 10 and their goalies have played better than Demko statically. If it aint broke, don't fix it


    If they do offer a trade, I would offer a package of a forward prospect [Foote, Stillman], defensive prospect [Walsh, Mukmudullin] and picks
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    Nov. 6, 2022 at 4:59 p.m.
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    Edited Nov. 6, 2022 at 5:19 p.m.
    I hope the Devils wouldn't have to deal Tatar for cap reasons here as he has been fantastic in the start of the season.
    I'd suggest the Canucks take Johnsson for salary purposes (and possibly flip him later on) and Blackwood partly due to to salary purposes but also to get a veteran goalie back.
    Preferably I'd hope a deal centered around Holtz + Walsh (or Casey) could get it done.
    Realistically I'd think the Canucks would want Nemec over Holtz + Walsh, which I'd lean against the Devils doing.
    Quoting: McRanteskog
    NJD 2023 1st, Marino and Holtz for Demko + VAN 3rd rd pick

    Cannot deal Marino or any rostered RHD here, would defeat the purpose of trading for Demko now.
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    Whether or not his poor start has affected his value or not is up for debate, but it's safe to say that in 2022-23 season Demko has been dogsh*t.

    His GSAx is completely neutral though (+-0), which suggest that Demko has been fine this season
    His sv% is more due to facing a lot of high danger chances, he is playing behind the worst defence in the NHL after all.

    edit: turns out Demko's GSAx is complete 5H!7 and seems he's been part of the problem in canucks slow start
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    Nov. 6, 2022 at 5:01 p.m.
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    If this did materialize I would agree, Nemec 1for1 (maybe with a cap dump from new jersey) would be the dream for Van.

    Next up IMO would be 1st + Holtz + Mukhamdullin

    More realistic offer from NJ is probably more like 1st + Boqvist + Mukhamdullin. (I don't think that would be enticing enough for Van).
    Nov. 6, 2022 at 5:03 p.m.
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    Quoting: Tintin

    His GSAx is completely neutral though (+-0), which suggest that Demko has been fine this season
    His sv% is more due to facing a lot of high danger chances, he is playing behind the worst defence in the NHL after all.


    Other executives will still use the bad stats to try to get him for cheaper if he is shopped.
    Nov. 6, 2022 at 5:04 p.m.
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    Quoting: GMBL
    Other executives will still use the bad stats to try to get him for cheaper if he is shopped.


    Well his GSAx is way down from his normal levels, of course GMs should use that as an argument to lower the price of acquiring Demko.
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    Nov. 6, 2022 at 5:05 p.m.
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    Quoting: Tintin
    I hope the Devils wouldn't have to deal Tatar for cap reasons here as he has been fantastic in the start of the season.
    I'd suggest the Canucks take Johnsson for salary purposes (and possibly flip him later on) and Blackwood partly due to to salary purposes but also to get a veteran goalie back.
    Preferably I'd hope a deal centered around Holtz + Walsh (or Casey) could get it done.
    Realistically I'd think the Canucks would want Nemec over Holtz + Walsh, which I'd lean against the Devils doing.

    Cannot deal Marino or any rostered RHD here, would defeat the purpose of trading for Demko now.

    His GSAx is completely neutral though (+-0), which suggest that Demko has been fine this season
    His sv% is more due to facing a lot of high danger chances, he is playing behind the worst defence in the NHL after all.


    You have to give, to get.
    Make it NJD 2023 1st + Mercer for Demko
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    Nov. 6, 2022 at 5:06 p.m.
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    Quoting: McRanteskog
    Make it NJD 2023 1st + Mercer for Demko

    Lmao Demko stays a Canuck for life if that's their ask jesus
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    Nov. 6, 2022 at 5:06 p.m.
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    Quoting: Tintin
    I hope the Devils wouldn't have to deal Tatar for cap reasons here as he has been fantastic in the start of the season.
    I'd suggest the Canucks take Johnsson for salary purposes (and possibly flip him later on) and Blackwood partly due to to salary purposes but also to get a veteran goalie back.
    Preferably I'd hope a deal centered around Holtz + Walsh (or Casey) could get it done.
    Realistically I'd think the Canucks would want Nemec over Holtz + Walsh, which I'd lean against the Devils doing.

    Cannot deal Marino or any rostered RHD here, would defeat the purpose of trading for Demko now.

    His GSAx is completely neutral though (+-0), which suggest that Demko has been fine this season
    His sv% is more due to facing a lot of high danger chances, he is playing behind the worst defence in the NHL after all.


    His GSAx is 3rd last in the league according to MoneyPuck, where'd you get that it's neutral?

    Goaltenders are too weird for me to justify trading somebody like Nemec or a 1st + high end prospect for. If Blackwood's injury is significant, I'd rather just look at cheaper options, like Reimer or Stolarz.
    Nov. 6, 2022 at 5:08 p.m.
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    Well his GSAx is way down from his normal levels, of course GMs should use that as an argument to lower the price of acquiring Demko.


    He is only making 5m though which is a typical starter salary, so I think Vancouver's GM could win the debate if they were wanting to actually trade him.
    Nov. 6, 2022 at 5:09 p.m.
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    Quoting: MellowK
    His GSAx is 3rd last in the league according to MoneyPuck, where'd you get that it's neutral?


    Was looking at his advanced stats here on CF, it says 0.
    If Demko is -6.8 GSAx (as per Moneypuck) then I'd want nothing to do with Demko, for now.

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    He is only making 5m though which is a typical starter salary, so I think Vancouver's GM could win the debate if they were wanting to actually trade him.

    Turns out his GSAx is a lot lower than I thought, really wouldn't want the Devils to entertain the thought of trading Nemec now.
    Nov. 6, 2022 at 5:10 p.m.
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    Quoting: Tintin
    Lmao Demko stays a Canuck for life if that's their ask jesus


    NJD 2023 1st will probably be pick 18-20 overall.
    Mercer is a 2020 first round pick, center, 42 pts rookie season. That’s pretty good considering Demkos best seasons so far we’re only two .915sv% years.

    When VAN traded Cory Schneider, he had three seasons in the .925 + sv % and only got one 1st for him
    Nov. 6, 2022 at 5:15 p.m.
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    Quoting: Tintin
    Was looking at his advanced stats here on CF, it says 0.
    If Demko is -6.8 GSAx (as per Moneypuck) then I'd want nothing to do with Demko, for now.


    Turns out his GSAx is a lot lower than I thought, really wouldn't want the Devils to entertain the thought of trading Nemec now.


    Yeah, he's 3rd last on MoneyPuck and 2nd last on EvolvingHockey in GSAx. He's been objectively bad this season. He's obviously better than that, but like I said, giving up big assets for goaltenders is insanely risky to me. And GMs tend to agree, you just never see big trades like this happen with goaltenders.
    Nov. 6, 2022 at 5:22 p.m.
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    Quoting: McRanteskog
    NJD 2023 1st will probably be pick 18-20 overall.
    Mercer is a 2020 first round pick, center, 42 pts rookie season. That’s pretty good considering Demkos best seasons so far we’re only two .915sv% years.

    When VAN traded Cory Schneider, he had three seasons in the .925 + sv % and only got one 1st for him


    He's valuing Mercer as a 1st+, so 2 1st+ for Demko, which he finds as too much for Demko.

    Goalies typically don't have too much value but Schneider and Andersen (traded for the approx. value of the 15th OV) more recently were extra starter goalies when they were traded. I think Vancouver views Demko as a franchise goalie so they probably would want an overpay considering that they don't have anyone else.
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    Quoting: Tintin
    I hope the Devils wouldn't have to deal Tatar for cap reasons here as he has been fantastic in the start of the season.
    I'd suggest the Canucks take Johnsson for salary purposes (and possibly flip him later on) and Blackwood partly due to to salary purposes but also to get a veteran goalie back.
    Preferably I'd hope a deal centered around Holtz + Walsh (or Casey) could get it done.
    Realistically I'd think the Canucks would want Nemec over Holtz + Walsh, which I'd lean against the Devils doing.

    Cannot deal Marino or any rostered RHD here, would defeat the purpose of trading for Demko now.

    His GSAx is completely neutral though (+-0), which suggest that Demko has been fine this season
    His sv% is more due to facing a lot of high danger chances, he is playing behind the worst defence in the NHL after all.

    edit: turns out Demko's GSAx is complete 5H!7 and seems he's been part of the problem in canucks slow start


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    Quoting: GMBL
    He's valuing Mercer as a 1st+, so 2 1st+ for Demko, which he finds as too much for Demko.

    Goalies typically don't have too much value but Schneider and Andersen more recently were extra starter goalies when they were traded. I think Vancouver views Demko as a franchise goalie so they probably would want an overpay considering that they don't have anyone else.


    I read his response as not enough for Demko, not too much. Part of Demkos value is the term of his contract, you’d be getting at least 3.5 seasons of him
    Nov. 6, 2022 at 5:30 p.m.
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    Quoting: McRanteskog
    I read his response as not enough for Demko, not too much. Part of Demkos value is the term of his contract, you’d be getting at least 3.5 seasons of him


    Just to be clear, I think Mercer + 2023 1st is too much for Demko, and that's before I realized his GSAx is actually in the negatives and not 0.
    Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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    Nov. 6, 2022 at 5:33 p.m.
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    Quoting: Tintin
    Just to be clear, I think Mercer + 2023 1st is too much for Demko, and that's before I realized his GSAx is actually in the negatives and not 0.
    Sorry for the misunderstanding.


    Sorry. I read your response “Demko stays a Canuck for life” as in, VAN wouldn’t part with him if that was the return lol
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    Just to be clear, I think Mercer + 2023 1st is too much for Demko, and that's before I realized his GSAx is actually in the negatives and not 0.
    Sorry for the misunderstanding.


    COL last summer gave a 1st, 3rd, and NHL ready RHD for ONE year of Kuemper. I think a 1st plus Mercer for 3.5 years of Demko was fair
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    Nov. 6, 2022 at 5:36 p.m.
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    Quoting: McRanteskog
    I read his response as not enough for Demko, not too much. Part of Demkos value is the term of his contract, you’d be getting at least 3.5 seasons of him


    He's a Jersey fan, so when he said that's "their ask" I think he was referring to Vancouver. I personally think that the cost would be high to acquire him, maybe too high for NJ's liking. The 2023 1st + a goalie prospect + lower end (RD, C) prospects would probably give them a better chance at getting an elite player. NJ probably would rather keep Mercer than some of those prospects too.

    Schneider had 4mx3 years, was traded on draft day for the 9th OV. Schneider was still considered elite but was extra but and Vancouver drafted their future 1C. As for Andersen, he was was traded since he would have been exposed in the expansion draft. I think 10-15 OV pick is good for the average starter. Demko would be shopped as a franchise goalie at 5mx3.5 by Vancouver.
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    Nov. 6, 2022 at 6:29 p.m.
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    Doubt Demko gets traded right now if at all. It honestly seems like he hasn't fully recovered from the surgery this offseason. Obviously the defense hasn't been helping him out at all. He should bounce back eventually.
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