Canuck fans are going to love this. Brace for the Garland equals Nylander crowd to come out hard.

Terrible for Vancouver.

I think they are extinct now.

Not necessarily, they probably don't want to trade Horvat for futures, so getting an elite player like Nylander is probably the best they can do. You might have issue with downgrading Garland to Engvall, but it seems like no one wants Garland's contract, Engvall can fill a 3rd line and PK role. Holl can do what Schenn can, sure he's getting paid 1.1m more but overall the trade is pretty cap neutral.

So, Vancouver losses trade value here for sure but whether it's a horrible deal for them really depends on what they have been offered for Garland and what they will get offered for Horvat. The way Horvat is playing, they can probably get a good futures package, that gives them a chance at getting at least 2 high end talent, but that's probably not what they would prefer.

Nylander is good but this doesn't really make sense, if we were to trade Horvat and Garland it would be for futures or to make the team better. Trading those two and our best defender for a high-end winger doesn't do anything for the Canucks.

This is terrible for the Canucks

Nylander >> Garland

But Horvat and Schenn >>>>> Engvall and Holl

Brutal for Canucks. Not a chance

Nylander has one year left after this one, yes he's better then Garland but Garland is a good player, what does Van gain by trading cheaper term with Garland and their best UFA trade chip in Horvat for 1.5 years of Nylander?

Nothing from what I can see, Holl, Engvall and Schenn are all pretty much irrelevant in this proposal.

They can trade Horvat for a boatload of futures probably, however, I don't think anyone wants Garland for a good return. It's 0.5 year of Horvat for 1.5 of Nylander if you want to look at it that way. There could be a team that is offering a young player+1st+good prospect for Horvat, but what's the quality of that young player? Also, Nylander is better than Horvat, so he's definitely better than Garland.

If Garland can be dumped for a 2nd+3rd or something like that, if I was Allvin, I would do that, since he's essentially been replaced by Mikheyev. If he can be moved for a more meaningful addition like a RD, then that's what they should do. Then I would resign Horvat if he's willing to take a discount at around 6.5-6.75mx8 (52m-54m). Horvat probably wants 8mx8 (64m) but if he probably gets like 7-7.5mx8 (56-60m) if he gets traded to Detroit and signed there. In FA, Horvat is probably only getting 7-7.5mx7 (49-52.5m). I don't think Horvat is looking to max out but I'm guessing he was offered the RNH contract (41m) and he didn't feel valued/respected as the captain of the team and the other 1/2C caliber player on the team got a 56m contract. If he's taking the RNH contract, he probably does that elsewhere where he's not considered a core player.

Luke Schenn as your best defender is just really Sad

Well whats better for the Canucks, the futures for Horvat now or a Nylander question mark in another year?

Sure if they can trade Garland or Boeser or whatever for a legit top 4 dman with term or one they absolutely know they can sign they should do that, honestly their defense isn't great but just one more top 4 guy would make a huge difference for them, would allow them to slot guys in proper spots/pairs and get the best out of them instead of playing them above their capabilities.

Idk why they didn't make the Marino trade, Rutherford calling down the team and Boudreau in TV/Radio interviews when he blew the offseason makes him look like a hypocritical moron.
He needed to address the defense but instead he leaves it and signs Mikheyev and in interviews says they tried but the cap space issue, well maybe don't sign Mikheyev to an almost $5M deal if you needed cap space to address the defense, he's such a clown.

Canucks decline easily. If we are trading Horvat and Garland, it won’t be a winger with 2 years left on his contracts. It will likely be for futures

No ****

That's true but I don't think he can do much better than getting Nylander, because they probably get a 1st+a good prospect+a young player at best. I suspect they will waste that 1st, no offense, but Vancouver always has prospects that are super hyped that you would think that they are the real thing but they don't turn out. I also wouldn't be surprised if Rutherford only got 2 or even 1 prime asset out of Horvat. The team is in shambles, and they aren't being allowed to rebuild (which would remove pressure off Allvin and Rutherford), so other GMs are going to lowball as much as they can considering that he will be auctioned off.

I'm pretty certain that Dubas doesn't do this trade unless he's desperate, and it would probably be the move that would be the last straw for him.

They probably didn't do the Marino trade because they needed to move money out, and so did Pittsburgh, so they can get Petry.

Yep, we ****ing suck

I was at the game yesterday so i know

Schenn had 12 hits in the game against the Leaf's on Saturday and has the most in the league currently. Holl has 7 all year so far.... They are two completely different players even though Holl should be able to throw hits he just doesn't. As a leaf's fan I would love to have Schenn back but Holl and Schenn can not do the same thing.

Schenn is more physical sure, but other than that Holl can fill Schenn's role.

Good debate...

I thought that the Canucks would get a superstar for Petterson and Boeser to play with that has a bit longer term... Next year you can resign him, or trade him for more of a return. The Engvall, and Holl allows the Canucks to use serviceable players and perhaps trade them for late picks, OR at worst, expiring/smaller contracts, giving them more flexibility to rebuild/retool.

Both sides have good points... usually a good deal is when everyone is a little unhappy.