This is a case of a biased Bruins fan knowing his team lacks the high end prospect to acquire Patty Kane. Or an unwillingness to part with one if they have one. See Leafs fans. So he's giving to undersell Kane and pretend the Bruins can get him at a lowball price. He's going to use the fact that Kane is a "rental" to justify it.

As if Chicago has to knuckle under to Boston and accept a lowball offer. It's pure fantasy, delusion but more importantly a true lack of hockey knowledge. The ask from Chicago fans on here is hardly unrealistic.

Chicago will ask and get more for Kane. That's just my opinion. Not a fact. Like the wannabe know it all Bruins fan shooting his mouth off with nothing to support his flawed argument.

As I said. It's Patty Kane. Pay up or go home.

Increased compensation? Sure. Monahan as a comparable? No. We’ve seen time and time again that the price of dumping someone in a trade to facilitate the money is far lower than a straight cap dump.

If you’re referring to me i don’t want the bruins to get kane.

I just like logic. Expecting something that hasn’t happened before to happen is stupid.

Okay, so keep that thought in mind.

The Giroux trade is the obvious comp - and Giroux got back the 1st, a young roster player, and a 3rd.

OP has a 1st and a young roster player here, but no 3rd - instead he throws in the $6.1M in dumps and another 1st.

Given the fact that Frederic would be 2 years older this deadline than Tippet was last deadline, and the fact that Kane has most GM's beloved intangibles, I don't think it's a far leap to say that you can upgrade the 3rd that was sent in the Giroux trade to a '24 1st. You might not want Kane, but the value lines up pretty well.

Or the Bruins could find another way to get rid of the $6.1M they'd need to shed to get Kane and not have to compensate for the negative value of the contracts they're sending back. But don't act like this would be some preposterous ask by Hawks fans.

Stuck in the AHL LMAO....played 12 AHL games versus 42 NHL games for Florida but he was stuck in the AHL LMAO

15 years ago is recent? LMAO wow and even that trade was better 15 years ago

If this Bruins fan was starring in the movie "Dances with Wolves" his name would be "Talks from his Arse."

I don't think Tippett sucked or that his value was even capable of being subjective at the 2022 TDL. 23 year old former 10th overall pick with less than 100 NHL games under his belt... Players popping at the NHL level right out of the draft or even D1 and D2 is pretty rare, especially popping at a high level, and especially when they don't have the opportunities available for them to move up, as was the case in FLA. And again there was the whole pandemic thing, it was too messy to even pass any judgments, development was stunted or unmeasurable for a lot of guys. At 23 years old he is still perfectly within his window of becoming a valuable player in the NHL, and with 10 points in 17 games I'd say he is doing just fine. Most scouts still evaluated him pretty highly up until that trade as well, and still continue to.

Regardless, Kane is still a significantly more valuable and experienced player than Giroux. But, for the sake of your argument, and pretending that Kane and Giroux are of the same value, how do you expect CHI to take all of that cap back with the trade still being fair value?

1. What? Every players value is inherently subjective. What are you talking about?

A top 10 pick that’s 23 and not a full time NHL player yet is usually not going to have much value.

All I’ve said here is that kane isn’t getting two first round picks - because rentals don’t get two first round picks. Let’s not act like this is some huge controversial take. Rentals don’t get two first round picks. The only instance that’s sort of close is Matt Duchene, who got a 1st, and a conditional 1st if he re-signed….and it was clear the jackets weren’t going to do that. Now-a-days, that sort of condition isn’t allowed.

Recent is pretty relative. What’s recent?

What hockey team did he play for when he was traded? Are you really unable to comprehend this or are you just a bit trollish?

No. Giroux, a 23 year old AHL prospect, and a 23 year old roster player (I can’t actually remember if he was on the roster at the time of trade. He spent time in both the AHL and NHL that year), and a 5th, got a 1st, a 23 year old AHL prospect, and a protected first (not in the upcoming draft, not in the one after that, but the one after that. If that pick is top ten it’s actually in the year after that).

If we’re going to use it as a comp, lets at least get the trade right.

jesus christ, just keep spinning and spinning away to find any reason to avoid having to actually engage with an argument.

I'm sure Connor Bunnaman (who was in the AHL at the time, to answer your question) and German Rubtsov were *incredibly* important to the Panthers in this deal and not just included as some sort contract math. Why, Rubtsov was so crucial to their organization that he's currently playing in Russia after playing 6 whole games for their AHL affiliate. And clearly Bunnaman is a guy they're gonna build with, lighting up the AHL with 2 whole goals in 19 games this season.

And as far as complaining about the protections on the pick, well, that's funny - you're inadvertently hitting on a big reason why the Giroux comp might not be the *best* comp for a potential Kane trade. Giroux had made it pretty clear he would only waive for Florida, and Florida had traded away both its 2022 1st and 2023 1st - and since beggars can't be choosers, they took the closest 1st they could get their hands on. So they took the 2024 1st, threw in whatever weird roster chaff that Florida asked for, and got back a 23 year old prospect whose shine had worn down by being given less than 12 minutes a night in the NHL (hence *why* he was in the AHL - not because of his skill but because he could get showcased with the top line minutes the NHL club in a playoff hunt wasn't going to be able to give him.) And they managed to get that package without having to take back $6.1M in cap they didn't want (plus another $3M next year!)

We have no word yet on what Patty Kane's gonna do with his NMC. If he says he's only gonna go to one team? Sure, it's gonna have an effect on his return. But if he's open to being sent to multiple contenders, there's sure to be a bidding war, and then all bets are off. Again, to use the comp you brought up yourself, Marian Hossa, he had no clause in effect and got back a 1st in that year's draft, a 1st round pick from the year before, plus solid middle-6 roster players. That's more or less what's being offered here, except that in that trade the Thrashers didn't have to take back a ton of cap (or retain) to make it work. Chicago is doing both here, so by your own argument, a pair of 1sts would be more than fine.

Bit of a double standard here, no?

Why is one former first rounder who was in the ahl of such importance, and another former first rounder who was in the ahl is just contract math?

Terribly sorry for saying the guy in the ahl was in the ahl.

Quote me you coward

Jeez, maybe cuz that former 1st rounder had already pretty much flamed out by the time the trade happened? 4 NHL games in 19-20, didn't even bother keeping him around as a taxi squad during the bubble season, and 10-19-29 in 93 AHL games for a 23 year old is pretty much the writing on the wall at that point, no? Tippett had been more productive in almost the same amount of *NHL* games at the time of the trade, and had put up 18 points in 12 AHL games while being showcased.

So, no, not really a double standard if you actually take two and a half seconds to look at the players and how most people are going to value them.

Trying to claim that Tippett was anything but a bit part in that trade is revisionists history. He stunk for Florida and was demoted to the ahl because he wasn’t playable at the nhl level.

This guy is hardcore trolling, seems like boredom. If he's not, then is pure comedy how hard he's trying to spin here

lmao super rich calling it revisionist history dude, google is really easy to use, i'm sure someone can tell you how if you need help







Dang, looks like a lot of outlets thought Tippett was a key part of the trade return for the Flyers! And wow, Corey Pronman even mentions that he was "bumped out of a great Florida lineup" close to the trade - almost makes it seem like his demotion to the AHL was, again, a chance for him to play big minutes and actually showcase for him a trade? Oh, and weird, when you look at the transactions for Florida last season, you can see that in the couple days before his demotion they activated three different forwards off of IR and decided to send down one of their younger prospects so he would get some ice time? Damn, it's weird, when you actually read the news reports from the trade (all the way from 8 months ago, so nearly impossible to find, I'm sure) it sounds like the Flyers viewed Tippett as an integral part of the return, and that you're just making stuff up to fit your own narrrative?

Damn, that's weird!

Don't start sharing conclusive evidence, this guy hates that! He just likes to spin his bad opinion as fact and address people with condescending tones in replies...sign of weakness in his opinion obviously.

Uhhhh, you don’t think those quotes help your case, do you?

I’m sorry are you saying a reporter calling it a boom or bust pick up is conclusive evidence? Are you 12?

I'm saying guys that do this for a living know better versus someone ill-informed trolling a forum. Pronman being one of the most respected analysts in the industry is certainly better at evaluating then a guy who's ego is getting bruised because he's already been proven wrong on multiple points; Hossa trade, OT getting sent down to the AHL for a dozen games to showcase him after playing 42 in the NHL, OT being worhless in the trade, cap dumps not costing a team anything, the Giroux trade evaluation....you my friend are the one acting like a child that isn't getting his way while calling everyone "homers" when you are the one being a "homer" because of someone proposing a Kane to Boston trade you don't like. This is really rich

I dunno, why don't you tell me where in those quotes it backs up any of the garbage you're trying to peddle? Calling him a "boom or bust" while talking about his larger role with his new team doesn't really sound like a "throw-in" to most people, but I'm sure you'll find some way to keep moving the goalposts further and further away as every point you try and bring up is easily kicked back at you.

First off, pronman is wrong more often than he’s right. That’s the nature of the business, but his word is far from gospel. He also didn’t exactly heap praise on him. He said he was talented with a so-so compete level. I haven’t said anything that conflicts with that.