Worst NHL Draft in Recent Years

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Initial Creation Date: Dec. 1, 2022

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Missing (not signed)
Kristian Vesalainen

Entire first round of the 2017 entry draft
Hischier: Solid pick-up, but with hindsight definitely a top 3-6 pick, but not 1st overall
Patrick: Terrible luck for him, not drafted in the first round
Heiskanen: Great pick, probably stays at 3rd overall
Makar: Incredible pick, moves to 1st overall
Petterson: Great pick, moves to 2nd overall
Glass: Not drafted in the first round
Andersson: Not drafted in the first round
Mittelstadt: Stays in first round, but is a late pick
Rasmussen: Not drafted in first round
Tippett: Not drafted in first round
Vilardi: Middle-Late first round pick
Necas: Early probably top 10 pick
Suzuki: Top 5 pick
Foote: Not drafted in first round
Brannstrom: Not drafted in first round
Valimaki: Not drafted in first round
Vaakanainen: Not drafted in first round
Norris: Early top 10 pick
Thomas: Early top 10 pick
Chytil: Drafted in the middle of first round
Yamamoto: Late first round pick
Joseph: Not drafted in first round
Vesalainen: Not drafted in first round
Poehling: Not drafted in first round
Oettinger: Drafted in the middle of the first round
Frost: Not drafted in first round
Bowers: Not drafted in first round
Jokiharju: Drafted in the middle of the first round
Tolvanen: Drafted in late first round
Kostin: Not drafted in first round

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
22	$999,999,999	$78,760,000	$0	$0	$921,239,999

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Pettersson, Elias $7,350,000$7,350,000 C, LW UFA - 2	Hischier, Nico $7,250,000$7,250,000 C UFA - 5	Thomas, Robert $2,800,000$2,800,000 C, RW UFA - 1
Chytil, Filip $2,300,000$2,300,000 C, LW UFA - 1	Suzuki, Nick $7,875,000$7,875,000 C UFA - 8	Vilardi, Gabriel $825,000$825,000 RW, C RFA - 1
Tolvanen, Eeli $1,450,000$1,450,000 LW, RW RFA - 2	Norris, Joshua $7,950,000$7,950,000 C UFA - 8	Necas, Martin $3,000,000$3,000,000 RW RFA - 2
Rasmussen, Michael $1,460,000$1,460,000 LW, C UFA - 2	Mittelstadt, Casey $2,500,000$2,500,000 LW, C RFA - 2	Yamamoto, Kailer $3,100,000$3,100,000 RW RFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Heiskanen, Miro $8,450,000$8,450,000 LD/RD UFA - 7	Makar, Cale $9,000,000$9,000,000 RD UFA - 5	Oettinger, Jake $4,000,000$4,000,000 G RFA - 3
Välimäki, Juuso $1,550,000$1,550,000 LD RFA - 1	Jokiharju, Henri $2,500,000$2,500,000 RD RFA - 2
Brännström, Erik $900,000$900,000 LD/RD, LW RFA - 1	Liljegren, Timothy $1,400,000$1,400,000 RD RFA - 2

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Tippett, Owen $1,500,000$1,500,000 RW, LW UFA - 2		Patrick, Nolan $1,200,000$1,200,000 C, RW UFA - 1
Poehling, Ryan $750,000$750,000 C, LW UFA - 1
Vaakanainen, Urho $850,000$850,000 LD/RD RFA - 2

Taxi Squad
Glass, Cody $874,125$874,125 ($0$0$0$0) C, RW RFA - 1
Andersson, Lias $750,000$750,000 ($0$0$0$0) C, LW RFA - 1
Kostin, Klim $750,000$750,000 ($0$0$0$0) LW, RW RFA - 1
Bowers, Shane $750,000$750,000 ($0$0$0$0) C RFA - 1
Frost, Morgan $800,000$800,000 ($0$0$0$0) C RFA - 1
Joseph, Pierre-Olivier $825,000$825,000 ($0$0$0$0) LD RFA - 2
Foote, Cal $850,000$850,000 ($0$0$0$0) RD RFA - 1

Dec. 1, 2022 at 11:11 p.m.

#26

Db1899

Joined: Aug. 2021

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Quoting: DefenseFirst

I think you’re the only person that’s going to make the defensive argument. Hischier is a legitimate selke candidate.

If you thinking some stat is going to prove defensive acumen, man, you’re missing a great sport. You should watch it some time.

So we’ve shifted to primary points only now? Seems like you’ve shifted the goal posts.

Most fans cannot evaluate defensive impact. No one know what to look for and what makes a player good defensively. Analytics do a much better job at accurately representing a players impact defenseman. The devils use analytics and its most likely a big factor in their decision making.

Primary points show true offensive impact - secondary assists are usually not repeatable. A player who has more primary points is the better offensive player. Pettersson has more primary points at 5v5 despite playing on a significantly worse team.

Dec. 2, 2022 at 7:21 a.m.

#27

DefenseFirst

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Quoting: Db1899

You really are missing a great game. Such a bummer. The worst part is you think you have knowledge about it. Anyway, anytime i want your opinion I’ll run to naturalstatrick and see what you think.

Dec. 2, 2022 at 8:35 a.m.

#28

Db1899

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Quoting: DefenseFirst

You really are missing a great game. Such a bummer. The worst part is you think you have knowledge about it. Anyway, anytime i want your opinion I’ll run to naturalstatrick and see what you think.

Quoting: DefenseFirst

You really are missing a great game. Such a bummer. The worst part is you think you have knowledge about it. Anyway, anytime i want your opinion I’ll run to naturalstatrick and see what you think.

The numbers don’t lie buddy

Dec. 2, 2022 at 8:46 a.m.

#29

DefenseFirst

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Quoting: Db1899

The numbers don’t lie buddy

They can, and you also don’t understand them.

Dec. 2, 2022 at 9:01 a.m.

#30

Db1899

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Quoting: DefenseFirst

They can, and you also don’t understand them.

You’re wrong , they are very straight forward, accurate metrics. You just don’t like them because it doesn’t support your (wrong) opinion.

Dec. 2, 2022 at 10:36 a.m.

#31

DefenseFirst

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Quoting: Db1899

You’re wrong , they are very straight forward, accurate metrics. You just don’t like them because it doesn’t support your (wrong) opinion.

You’re utterly useless. Continue providing no value to anything ever, but i won’t be wasting my time. If i desire your opinion, i know what websites I can go to find it. Weak.

Dec. 2, 2022 at 11:04 a.m.

#32

Xspyrit

Joined: Jul. 2016

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Is it saying that 2017 is the worst draft in recent years? Not at all

Hischier is the 5th best player in this draft (Makar, Robertson, Heiskanen, Pettersson) , which is very good because there's often going to be a few better player in an entire draft, even if you were drafted Top-3

How is Brannstrom not drafted in the first round? He's looking good and has progressed well over the years in a mess of a DJ Smith (non) system

There's a few more that could be argued but I would have liked to see a re-draft directly

Dec. 2, 2022 at 11:06 a.m.

#33

Db1899

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Quoting: DefenseFirst

You’re utterly useless. Continue providing no value to anything ever, but i won’t be wasting my time. If i desire your opinion, i know what websites I can go to find it. Weak.

facts*

Dec. 2, 2022 at 9:11 p.m.

#34

DefenseFirst

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Need @nhlfan10506 to chime in on all the hischier hate

Dec. 2, 2022 at 9:44 p.m.

#35

NHLfan10506

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Quoting: DefenseFirst

Need nhlfan10506 to chime in on all the hischier hate

Quoting: Db1899

Pettersson is much better offensively at 5v5 and he’s also better defensively. Faceoffs don’t matter, Hischier can have that I guess

5v5, among NHL Centers

Pts-per-60
Hischier 3.68
Pettersson 3.19

CF%
Hischier 58.2
Pettersson 49.5

GF-per-60
Hischier 4.09
Pettersson 4.10

GA-per-60
Hischier 1.64
Pettersson 3.00

SA-per-60
Hischier 25.8
Pettersson 30.9

SCA-per-60
Hischier 24.4
Pettersson 29.1

GF%
Hischier 71.4%
Pettersson 57.8%

xGF%
Hischier 61.9%
Pettersson 52.2%

Hischier is in top-20 of all those categories...Pettersson ranges between #8 and #130.

Pettersson is good, but Hischier has been better this season, especially defensively, where he is likely to get Selke consideration if he keeps it up.

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Dec. 2, 2022 at 10:39 p.m.

#36

DefenseFirst

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

My favorite is he cited a whole bunch of numbers that are derived from possession numbers, but thinks faceoffs don’t matter at all.

NHLfan10506 liked this.

Dec. 2, 2022 at 10:46 p.m.

#37

Juiceman

Ex Nucks fan

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Quoting: DefenseFirst

My favorite is he cited a whole bunch of numbers that are derived from possession numbers, but thinks faceoffs don’t matter at all.

Colorado won the cup as one of the worst faceoff teams in the NHL. Faceoffs don't win championships

Dec. 2, 2022 at 10:46 p.m.

#38

Juiceman

Ex Nucks fan

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Quoting: DefenseFirst

Need nhlfan10506 to chime in on all the hischier hate

Calling on others because you make claims and can't back them up by yourself? Geez

Dec. 2, 2022 at 10:47 p.m.

#39

Juiceman

Ex Nucks fan

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Quoting: DefenseFirst

You’re utterly useless. Continue providing no value to anything ever, but i won’t be wasting my time. If i desire your opinion, i know what websites I can go to find it. Weak.

And you are providing value? At least @NHLfan10506 and @Db1899 contributed with stats.

NHLfan10506 liked this.

Dec. 2, 2022 at 11:08 p.m.

#40

Db1899

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

you're using a lot of meaningless on ice stats that lack context. Hischier plays on a significantly better team, they are obviously going to be better, Isolated metrics show that Pettersson has been the better center.

GAR is a far better representation of a players overall impact than any of the stats you listed. Pettersson has been better at every aspect of the game.
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Dec. 2, 2022 at 11:11 p.m.

#41

Db1899

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Quoting: DefenseFirst

My favorite is he cited a whole bunch of numbers that are derived from possession numbers, but thinks faceoffs don’t matter at all.

my favorite is you just made two false statements but think you're on to something

Dec. 2, 2022 at 11:12 p.m.

#42

Db1899

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Quoting: Juiceman

And you are providing value? At least NHLfan10506 and Db1899 contributed with stats.

it really shouldn't be a debate. Pettersson and Hughes is close, but Pettersson is on a different level than Hischier

Dec. 2, 2022 at 11:13 p.m.

#43

Db1899

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

Dec. 2, 2022 at 11:14 p.m.

#44

Db1899

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Quoting: Juiceman

And you are providing value? At least NHLfan10506 and Db1899 contributed with stats.

Dec. 2, 2022 at 11:24 p.m.

#45

DefenseFirst

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Quoting: Juiceman

Calling on others because you make claims and can't back them up by yourself? Geez

Read through this thread. I said plenty. I just thought he would get a kick out of such stupidity.

Dec. 2, 2022 at 11:25 p.m.

#46

DefenseFirst

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Quoting: Juiceman

And you are providing value? At least NHLfan10506 and Db1899 contributed with stats.

I provided plenty. FYI, there is more to hockey than stats. It’s what makes it a fun sport!

Dec. 3, 2022 at 12:00 a.m.

#47

NHLfan10506

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Quoting: Db1899

GAR is a good measure for single stat.
GSVA is another

1. Robertson
2. M. Tkachuk 1.9
3. McDavid 1.7
4. Eichel 1.7
5. Hughes 1.6
6. Pastrnak 1.5
7. Hischier 1.4
8. MacKinnon 1.4
9. Bratt 1.4
10. Matthews 1.4

21. Pettersson 1.2

Dec. 3, 2022 at 1:04 a.m.

#48

Db1899

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

GSVA is highly influenced by team effects. It doesn’t isolate a players impact well.

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