This would be horrendous for SJ

Another poster completely ignoring the uniqueness of the Marleau situation as well.

Rileys new contract he just signed hasn't even kicked in yet. He's not waiving.

The retention component, because Rielly is a massive downgrade, or ??

This actually isn't a realistic trade offer, this is a hypothetical "would it make sense for one team or the other". Karlsson is older and owed a lot of money. Rielly is younger, bigger and owed less money.

Leafs decline, its a no brainer really. I dont think too many GMs are fooled by the season Karlsson is having,

You'd be essentially paying rielly 10.5 million a year for 5 years thanks to the retention and then he has more term left. SJ would move Karlsson, who is alot better than Rielly to rebuild, not to pay a worse version than him, who is still 29 years old slightly less moneyfor years longer.

Also invoking Marleau is so tired. He would only waive his NMC if the team he was being traded to agreed to buy him out and as a 35+ contract the entire AAV counts against the cap even if bought out so it had to be to a team who could eat the whole cap. There was 1 taker that's why it cost a 1st.

Rielly is owed about as much money and you made SJ eat 15 million in retention. It's preposterous

Oh come on. They get Karlsson for 1 million more than rielly and 3 less years. It's mind bendingly bad for SJ

The guy is finally actually healthy and is back to his Norris winning self but no, it’s just luck and won’t last. Come on. You don’t just happen to score 48 points in 36 games

You ask if Reilly would waive (I don't see going to a middling San Jose team). But why should Karlsson waive. He's retired in San Jose which seems to be the clubs MO. Signing UFA to long contracts which don't age well.

EK has 35% of points on the PP and is minus player. Although I not big on "hits" as meaning much, but geez EK has 16 this season, and even though he had been injured for half the season Reilly 20.

Actually after this season would have San Jose eating $2 MIL a year for $8 MIL making Rielly $9.5 for 7 more years.

If San Jose is opening to moving Karlsson and he is only interested to try to win a Cup in the next 5 years then that would limit the trade destinations to only a few teams. Colorado have a younger better version, TBay has a bigger, cheaper version...who else fits Karlsson's demand? Boston? Carolina? That's why I was trying to figure if the Leafs could fit.

Did something happen to Rielly that we need to move him? Am I missing something?

I am genuinely curious with what you mean here...so a team to cover Marleau's $6.25 MIL cost the Leafs a 1st round pick because only one team fit the criteria to do it so to have a 3rd team cover $1 MIL for 4 seasons would cost less than a 1st round pick as there are 3 or 4 teams that could do it. Is that correct?

Toronto had to move Marleau. He had a NMC and would only agree to waive if he were bought out. The team that agreed to this would get no cap relief for buying him out because he had a 35+ contract. That's why it cost a 1st. It is not comparable

He is a LH dman and every other team's RH dmen are better...but more to the point...Karlsson said he was wanting to try to win a Cup and San Jose isn't close to doing that. The Cup contenders have better or comparable dmen for cheaper so I wasn't sure where Karlsson was thinking he would go. The only way Toronto could be a destination is if Rielly was heading the other way

This is an incredible statement.
“He is a LH dman and every other teams RH dmen are better”… better at what? Being right handed??

“Karlsson said he was wanting to win a cup”… is there a player in the league who doesn’t want to win a cup?

That was a little tongue in cheek. I have seen a lot of trades for the Leafs where is was something like trading Nylander for Josh Brown, Marner for Gudas or Tavares for Gudbranson just so that the Leafs could have more RHD (okay maybe I am using a bit of hyperbole there...but not much).

Apart from this season, Rielly has heavily outperformed Karlsson for several years and makes a full 4 million less and is what 4 years younger? This is absolutely horrible for TO.

on one hand i agree with you being a bit skeptical, but it’s not like Karlsson hasn’t been this player in his past. a few years ago he was the best player in the leauge, and now that he is finally healthy and has adjusted to being a half step slower he is back to being one of the best offensive D in the leauge, but he is a defensive liability so i hold back from calling him a top 5 D in the leauge, but offensivly he is top 5. and i have no doubt he can maintain this pace for at least a few years.

Not a Sharks fan but what do you mean here? Karlsson was injured his first three seasons in SJ and he has 2 Norris trophies. I think many GMs know that he is an incredible players and would be foolish to overlook him after some injury riddled seasons.

I mean almost none of that is true and with the retention involved in this trade it makes it wildly lopsided in Toronto favor even more than it already was

I don't know why I am bothering with this post still... but I have to ask. What part of what he said is not true?

1.) That rielly has heavily outperformed Karlsson for several years. 2.) The contract stuff is misleading as the poster put significant retention in. 3.) That it is horrible for toronto

Karlsson is better than Rielly and this trade sees him off the books 3 years earlier than Rielly and at only 1 million more per year.

1. Rielly has heavily outperformed Karlsson for the last few years. I like Karlsson, always have, but since he went to San Jose, whether it is injuries or just a new environment, he simply has not performed as a top pairing d man. Rielly has. Yes the Leafs are my team. Call me a homer. Whatever it may be. But the team is significantly better with him in the lineup.
2 and 3) I see a lot of posts where people are worried about the amount of overall dollars involved. This may be the case for Arizona and other poor teams. However the last few years have proved dollars are way less significant than cap space.

I mean we just disagree. It's easy to pile up secondary assists with matthews, marner, Tavares and nylanders vs san joses situation.

Again we are talking paying 1 million more a year for Karlsson vs rielly but for 3 less years.

Oh well, this trade will obviously never happen