Kotkaniemi would get into your lineup over someone like Kampf. Also, at that price, the Canes tell you to get lost. There's not enough term on Nylander to justify moving two roster pieces under the age of 23 AND Morrow. I doubt you'd get a roster player straight up considering he only has 18 months left

I don't think you understand, Kotkaniemi is not an "asset" here

Then don't trade for him. He is an "asset". He's got better underlying numbers than most defensive orientated centers. His isolated numbers are among the strongest in the league. If you do not think that is an "asset", that's a you problem

He's a cap dump. Straight up.

Unless you have someone else you're willing to move to make room for Nylander?

LMAO. You really called Kotkaniemi a cap dump? That's comical.

And as I said, I'd be completely unwilling to move anything off the roster for 18 months of Nylander.

Listen to yourself. You wont move a third line center in Kotkaniemi, making 4.8 million (!) for the next 8 years (!!)

for Nylander, a player with 1.5 years left, on pace for 45 goals and 95 points. Look yourself in the mirror.

Kotkaniemi's contract is awful for a 3C that will top out as a middle 6 C in a good case scenario

Sabres decline

Kotkaniemi is already a long term 3C replacement. He's also 22. Your argument is that he's not worth 4.82. But he just is. His isolated underlyings are among the best in the league, I've already said that. Nylander is a great player, no denying that. But when literally EVERYONE not named Svechnikov or Kotkaniemi has an expiring contract in the next 3 seasons, there's no need to move out a really promising young player. If you really think KK's deal is awful, watch a Canes game. They play Boston tomorrow. No reason to move him for 18 months of a winger that would be a poor fit in this coaching system anyway.

Maybe you've been deluded by Jordan Staal but no. 3C's aren't worth 4.8 for the next 8 years. Honestly I don't give a damn how good his individuals are, he just... isn't a big factor when he's on the ice.

Don't know what underlying statistics you're talking about, since from what I'm seeing he barely drives play at all. Faceoff percentage is good, but he's a pretty low event player overall. Doesn't produce, although his defense is good. He's a mid 3C overall. He could grow into something more, but man he hasn't even shown flashes of it throughout his career.

Getting rid of Kotkaniemi and adding Nylander HELPS your cap situation, if your goal was to sign your Aho's your Necas' your Slavin's your Pesce's hell your goaltenders getting a contract that expires in line with those, giving you more options there, and getting rid of a dead weight contract would really help.

We're talking about someone that would instantly come in and be your best offense producer, that true force you've been looking for for a while now.

I don't think the Leafs would do this trade.

Cool, keep Nylander. Kotkaniemi's long term stability as a defensive monster of a C is worth more than 18 months of a 85 point winger. Especially in a system that prioritizes defense over scoring like Carolina. Kotkaniemi is borderline untouchable right now, he's been real good this year. Don't like his deal? Fine. Keep Nylander and the Canes can just run after him in free agency when he leaves

Fine. Sure. I just hope you know that you'd be called absolutely delusional by 99.78% of Canes fans if you said you wouldn't trade Kotkaniemi for Nylander.

No, I'd move KK for Nylander. I wouldn't move KK for 18 months of Nylander with a pending cap crunch. Didn't know you couldn't read either.

Even if Kotkanemi is overpriced for a 3C, they aren't going to easily get a replacement for him for much less. If he elevates his game or just stays as good his contract will be a value contract or just normal over the course of the year. Having cost certainty is important to the way Carolina operate their cap structure, and with acquiring Nylander, they wouldn't have that and he probably will want more than they think he's worth even if he was their best player. Nylander would be a great upgrade over Jarvis but they still would need a 3C.


I think in a similar fashion, the Sabres wouldn't want Marner without sending back a large contract like Skinner's.

Okay, you'd be called absolutely delusional by 99.78% of Canes fans if you said you wouldn't trade Kotkaniemi for 18 months of Nylander. Better?

There are a couple of things you have wrong here. Whilst he hasn’t had the greatest offensive stats over the course of his career, he has been one of the best defensive forwards in the league. His offensive production has started to pick up lately, and he has made whoever he plays with more successful offensively. He is only in year 1 of his contract and is only 22.

As for Nylander, he is great offensively, but he sucks defensively, and he would be a terrible fit in the Canes defense first system. The Canes aren’t going to pay to acquire someone who is a terrible fit, and who will just walk when his contract is up. At that point, the Canes lose a 20 year old top line winger in Jarvis, a long term 3C in KK, and their likely future 1RD for a hyper offensive winger who walks after 1.5 years. That is straight up terrible asset management, and sure it helps cap space in the short term, but destroying the roster to do so is just stupid.

Besides, if they really wanted Nylander, they wait 1.5 years for him to become a UFA, and go after him then. That being said, they wouldn’t pursue him anyway, given how many players they need to resign within the next 3 years.

Staal/Stastny would move to the 3C spot (they're both very capable). With all due respect, it isn't very hard to sign a 3C in the offseason.

Buffalo won't be doing that

That's probably what it would cost to dump kotkaniemi

You'd trade a long-term signed C that's already got a fantastic defensive aspect of his game with flashes of offensive brilliance for 18 months of a winger that the organization can openly not re-sign? Buddy, you need help

Yes, I'd trade a 3C on a 4.8 million dollar contract for the next 8 years for 2 years of a 40 goal 90 point winger in a 6.9 million dollar deal. You're insane if you think the Canes don't do that lmao.

They both only have so much hockey left, so sure, they might be fine for this season and the next, but after that they will likely need to pay at least 3-4m in ufa for a 3C with term anyways.

Right. At that point Nylander's money is likely gone and they get out from under the Kotkaniemi contract.

You're insane if you think that a team that trades scoring for the best defensive structure in the NHL for a winger that doesn't believe in the defensive zone. LMAO. Get outta here if you think they would. It's why Horvat makes no sense. It's why Nylander makes no sense. LMAO. This is how you show you know nothing about the Carolina Hurricanes without saying it. You've proven your opinions here are nothing but a joke. Have a good day in whatever world you live in because it's pure delusion and ignorance.

There are other guys that they can pursue and acquire with futures instead of making significant roster changes this season. If Carolina were to acquire Nylander, they are probably better off doing so next off-season if they can. Or in this hypothetical, that they trade Teravainen instead of Kotkanemi.

I mean if they wanted to trade Teuvo instead of Kotkaniemi here even better for the Leafs 🤷