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Threading the Needle

Created by: RebCub
Team: 2022-23 St. Louis Blues
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 20, 2023
Published: Feb. 20, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Trades
1.
STL
  1. Reilly, Mike
  2. Wagner, Chris
  3. 2023 1st round pick (BOS)
  4. 2024 3rd round pick (BOS)
BOS
  1. Barbashev, Ivan ($1,125,000 retained)
  2. Bortuzzo, Robert
2.
ARI
  1. Bolduc, Zachary
  2. Reilly, Mike
  3. 2023 1st round pick (TOR)
  4. 2023 1st round pick (BOS)
3.
STL
  1. Chiarot, Ben
  2. 2023 2nd round pick (STL)
Additional Details:
Not sure on value or if Chiarot would waive.
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$82,500,000$76,323,333$1,100,000$390,000$6,176,667
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$5,800,000$5,800,000
LW, RW, C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$2,800,000$2,800,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$2,800,000$2,800,000
RW
UFA - 1
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$1,525,000$1,525,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
C, LW
NTC
UFA - 6
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$750,000$750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$835,833$835,833 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
LW, RW
RFA - 3
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$750,000$750,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
RW
UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$816,667$816,667 (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
C
RFA - 2
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$750,000$750,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$4,600,000$4,600,000
LD/RD
UFA - 3
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 5
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 5
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$4,750,000$4,750,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 8
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$1,250,000$1,250,000 (Performance Bonus$250,000$250K)
G
UFA - 1
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 4
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$762,500$762,500
LD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$750,000$750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 4
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$3,275,000$3,275,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$808,333$808,333
LD/RD
RFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
LD
RFA - 1
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$1,350,000$1,350,000
RW, C
UFA - 1

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Feb. 20, 2023 at 11:44 a.m.
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Boston won't give up a 1st to acquire Barbashev and dump Reilly. They would be better off giving up multiple seconds.

Also, I bet Arizona would ask for Snuggerud in a Chychrun deal.

They should do a blockbuster deal for Chychrun+Keller, trade all the picks., if they are able to offload Parayko. Krug is probably isn't going anywhere soon.
Feb. 20, 2023 at 11:47 a.m.
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Boston love accomplishing two things at once so I can see them making a deal to dump Reilly and add barbashev but not sure that's the deal exactly. I would absolutely pay a 2nd to swap Chairot and Krug.
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Feb. 20, 2023 at 11:53 a.m.
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Quoting: Jfstompers
Boston love accomplishing two things at once so I can see them making a deal to dump Reilly and add barbashev but not sure that's the deal exactly. I would absolutely pay a 2nd to swap Chairot and Krug.


Now way are we paying a 2nd to unload Chiarot.

Krug makes more, Longer term. And more injury prone than Chiarot.
Feb. 20, 2023 at 12:01 p.m.
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Setting aside what the other teams would say, Chiarot is a noooo gooo.
Feb. 20, 2023 at 12:01 p.m.
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Quoting: GMBL
Boston won't give up a 1st to acquire Barbashev and dump Reilly. They would be better off giving up multiple seconds.

Also, I bet Arizona would ask for Snuggerud in a Chychrun deal.

They should do a blockbuster deal for Chychrun+Keller, trade all the picks., if they are able to offload Parayko. Krug is probably isn't going anywhere soon.


Boston doesn't have 2nds aside from one in 25. That's the issue there where a 1st makes alot more sense from them especially given how strong their team has been performing.

They could ask for Snuggerud, but I think Bolduc is still overkill in that proposal. The Blues have more than enough assets to make something work without including Snuggerud/Bolduc. I'm not sure if you care about Scott Wheeler's prospect analysis. But he had Snuggerud at #15 and Bolduc at #47 for prospects in the entirety of the NHL.

The Blues don't need to nor can afford to offload Parayko and stay competitive. He takes by far the toughest usage with very incompetent partners for the role he's put in. Trading all of the picks for near term success isn't a great strategy for us. It's going to keep us in no mans land. Trading one or two of the 1sts acquired at the draft for players with term may not be a bad option but going all in near term is going to really hurt the franchise long term as I dont think we are relatively close given how up and down this team is and has been collectively.
Feb. 20, 2023 at 12:02 p.m.
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Quoting: GMBL
Boston won't give up a 1st to acquire Barbashev and dump Reilly. They would be better off giving up multiple seconds.

Also, I bet Arizona would ask for Snuggerud in a Chychrun deal.

They should do a blockbuster deal for Chychrun+Keller, trade all the picks., if they are able to offload Parayko. Krug is probably isn't going anywhere soon.



Boston doesn't have a second for 2 more drafts, no one wants their picks that far out.
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Feb. 20, 2023 at 12:03 p.m.
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Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61
Now way are we paying a 2nd to unload Chiarot.

Krug makes more, Longer term. And more injury prone than Chiarot.


Im aware he makes more and it's not long term it's 1 more season than chairot is signed too and they're the same age so it doesn't worry me so much. You forgot the part where Krug is better than chairot. It's not an ideal swap but Krug would help us more.
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Feb. 20, 2023 at 12:08 p.m.
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Boston agrees
Feb. 20, 2023 at 12:20 p.m.
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Quoting: AC14
Boston doesn't have 2nds aside from one in 25. That's the issue there where a 1st makes alot more sense from them especially given how strong their team has been performing.

They could ask for Snuggerud, but I think Bolduc is still overkill in that proposal. The Blues have more than enough assets to make something work without including Snuggerud/Bolduc. I'm not sure if you care about Scott Wheeler's prospect analysis. But he had Snuggerud at #15 and Bolduc at #47 for prospects in the entirety of the NHL.

The Blues don't need to nor can afford to offload Parayko and stay competitive. He takes by far the toughest usage with very incompetent partners for the role he's put in. Trading all of the picks for near term success isn't a great strategy for us. It's going to keep us in no mans land. Trading one or two of the 1sts acquired at the draft for players with term may not be a bad option but going all in near term is going to really hurt the franchise long term as I dont think we are relatively close given how up and down this team is and has been collectively.

I mean if they can land Keller+Chychrun, they would be able to accelerate the retool. I think they would be able to get good assets out of Parayko, and the only reason to move him is to be able to take on Keller as well. They might miss the playoffs this year, so that's why they would keep their own first and just use the pieces from the Parayko deal. The ask for Keller would definitely be ridiculous as well so no clue how they would come up with it.

If the Blues were to just trade for Chychrun and the offer was Boulduc+ Toronto and Boston's (if they got it) 1st, I don't think that would be enough for them unless they really like Boulduc. I personally think they would much rather have Snuggerud for obvious reasons.


Quoting: xjoeyc23x
Boston doesn't have a second for 2 more drafts, no one wants their picks that far out.


I don't think Boston does that trade at all but if they were to give their 1st, then the Blues would need to send back their 2023 2nd, and Boston adds their 2025 2nd or something like that.
Feb. 20, 2023 at 12:23 p.m.
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Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61
Now way are we paying a 2nd to unload Chiarot.

Krug makes more, Longer term. And more injury prone than Chiarot.


I have heard many Blues fans say that Krug is a 3rd pair pp-specialist. Not too intriguing.
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Feb. 20, 2023 at 12:27 p.m.
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Quoting: Kyriakos_Grizzly
I have heard many Blues fans say that Krug is a 3rd pair pp-specialist. Not too intriguing.


It makes no sense to go after Krug, Unless we move Chiarot to RD. Krug would be blocking Edvinsson seeing that we just re-upped Olli Maatta for 2 years. Zero interest in Krug. Would rather spend the assets on Jakob Chychrun then Torey Krug.
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Feb. 20, 2023 at 12:29 p.m.
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Quoting: Kyriakos_Grizzly
I have heard many Blues fans say that Krug is a 3rd pair pp-specialist. Not too intriguing.


His strength is certainly his puck moving. He's elite at QBing a PP. He's not fantastic defensively 5v5. I think sheltering him completely in a 3rd pair is ideal if you're trying to maximize his statistical output. That being said him playing 18/19 minutes a night isn't a negative defensively. We are just set up with Parayko to play extremely tough matchups and that's not somewhere where you partner Krug, nor should we be putting Leddy either so by necessity for us he almost needs to be in that role. I think for you guys as well he'd probably need to be there because imo Hronek is fairly similar to faulk in a defenseman thats value is a bit more on the offensive side versus defensive side.
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Feb. 20, 2023 at 12:48 p.m.
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Quoting: GMBL
I mean if they can land Keller+Chychrun, they would be able to accelerate the retool. I think they would be able to get good assets out of Parayko, and the only reason to move him is to be able to take on Keller as well. They might miss the playoffs this year, so that's why they would keep their own first and just use the pieces from the Parayko deal. The ask for Keller would definitely be ridiculous as well so no clue how they would come up with it.

If the Blues were to just trade for Chychrun and the offer was Boulduc+ Toronto and Boston's (if they got it) 1st, I don't think that would be enough for them unless they really like Boulduc. I personally think they would much rather have Snuggerud for obvious reasons.




I don't think Boston does that trade at all but if they were to give their 1st, then the Blues would need to send back their 2023 2nd, and Boston adds their 2025 2nd or something like that.


I know the firsts are late firsts but I don't think any other team that could possibly be interested in adding Chychrun has the actual picks of 2 firsts in this draft and is going to add a top prospect on top of that. That's an extreme ask.
Feb. 20, 2023 at 12:53 p.m.
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I know the firsts are late firsts but I don't think any other team that could possibly be interested in adding Chychrun has the actual picks of 2 firsts in this draft and is going to add a top prospect on top of that. That's an extreme ask.


Well, they would go for the top prospect that they want + 2023 1st (maybe a condition on it to be the better two if it's the late ones) + the other "first"

Now, I don't know that they will want Snuggerud but that's what I would assume. If the Blues have a great RD prospect, I think they would go for him + the two 2023 1sts as well. ARZ has a lot of forward prospects/young NHL players already and it seems to me that they want a RD or specific top prospects.

There have been some ridiculous reports about the ask on Chychrun, so it might be higher than we expect, so something like a top prospect + those two 1sts might be a tame price in comparison.
Feb. 20, 2023 at 12:53 p.m.
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