By most WAR and GAR charts Trouba was a top 10 defensman this season. He was also easily the jets best dmen this season and their 2nd most important player on the team. Not sure why people think he isn't a top pairing dmen. I also hold Gardiner in high regard my only issue is the age difference between the 2 and that really both are controllable for only 3 more years.

Personally I'd take out that NYI trade. Its an overpayment for one and Hyman is going to be on that wing. That's what Babcock wants. I'd then take Kapanen and add him to the WPG trade and take out the 1st and add in a 2018 2nd. So it would look like this:

Gardiner
Kapanen
2018 2nd (TOR)

for

Trouba

WPG won't do any trade unless its one of the 3 big guns for TOR. We aren't trading them so tbh I think we'd have a better shot at landing Myers from WPG.

You need to factor in the fact that Shattenkirk was a pure rental while Trouba becomes an RFA after his deal is up so he is still under team control. I really don't like Trouba's attitude though. Seems more drama follows him than necessary for a dressing room (the Leafs) that is all about culture, apparently. I'd much rather the Leafs make a bigger deal with the Islanders. People also seem to forget that Gardiner just had a fantastic year and is on a an extremely reasonable deal with term. Although this is all quite theoretical, if, say, the Flames needed to save money, I would love to see a hockey deal swap of Jake Gardiner for Dougie Hamilton.

I Get Hyman was on the line last year but I feel that was more no other LW able to play that role. Nelson is a more All round player and if babs had him available would be put there. Also, if you look at Kapanen projections he is probably only a 50 pt RW at best and Veliev is not going to probably ever play on the leafs cause of 4 better LHD options. The Trouba deal seeing how weak every scout says it is I think getting a young proven top 4 is worth it. I would consider putting Lievo in the deal which might help close the deal seeing the jets could see him as a future 2nd line LW something they probably need cause forward depth is an issue for them but I do feel getting Trouba as Reilly partner will solidify this d for a very long time.

I Get that but I do feel Trouba is only going to stay 3 more years then walk so seeing they are close in age and Gardiner if he feels he fits the system which I do feel he does has a better chance of staying in WPG.

I hear ya. I just think that we could maybe get a little more value from a lesser trade for a Myers or a Gudbransen type. I've always liked Myers and what he brings and I think in the right situation he'd kill it again. Yeah Trouba would be awesome to have but the price, I can only imagine, is going to be stupid.

I doubt Burke will do a trade that helps the leafs accomplish their goal of winning a cup. Also, cap is not an issue for them so we would have to rediculoisly overpay for Hamilton. Now I get that he has had some drama but I think that is more he is playing on the left and the jets are costing him term and money due to that. If he was playing his proper side and playing with someone who complement him I think he would not be so frustrated.

Being from Winnipeg I can tell you that Trouba is no issue in the jets locker room. The players and coaching staff love him. His best friend is Scheifele he is really close with Copp and he works out in the summer with Wheeler. A player has a right to want to play in a different city but there is no issue in the locker room. Some issue with management but thats business. He has a lot of pressure from family to play in the US (branding him or something) plus his GF was in medical school in the states. She did stay with Trouba this winter in winnipeg so maybe they worked that out.

Oh I agree but I also of the belief that any play they trade for on that d should be 20-24. Both those players would be far more of a risk. But I am not saying make the trade at all cost but if the pieces added are more redundancies they should at least consider it.

Lucky for us, Brian Burke is not their GM. I am not sure if you've noticed, but Calgary has their own internal salary cap, so although they technically have room, I believe they operate around $65 million or so max. Plus, you are forgetting that Brian Burke, as the Leafs GM traded for Jake Gardiner, and I am pretty sure he was the GM of the Ducks when they drafted him. Feels to me like the perfect feel. As for Trouba, I get that he is talented, but what stops him from holding out the next time he is an RFA for a trade? He's done it once already. Even the thought of it would have me steer clear.

I agree but if management keep low balling him and probably stating that he not worth 5-6million when part of the issue is they don't want to trade anyone and put him on the right side he will walk in 3 years. Due to he knows Coahes can be replaced but ownership don't and in all pro sports when a player feels disrespected and undervalued that person will move on.

Burke might not be the GM but if you look at what is happening this off-season I think it clear who is making the decisions and Burke still can veto any trade and if one of our top 3 are not in the trade he will do that. Trouba I feel after talking with Babcock and seeing how and where he will play and the leafs will give him a contract fitting he ability I don't think he will holdout.

Let's backtrack for one second. Are you saying that not only are you from the Winnipeg-area and know Jacob Trouba, you have also, somehow, had a one-on-one conversation with Mike Babcock about a player on a different team being traded to and playing on his team?

NO what I'm saying is Babcock has had conversations with incoming players in the past detailing how he plans to use them. Trouba will not holdout due to concerns of how he will be played. Also, from what people WPG have said about Trouba im just making a logical conclusion of who could be fustrating him.

a trade like this is pretty much a lateral move or slight upgrade for the Leafs. Leafs would likely look to move some of their wingers before defense or draft picks (which I don't think the Jets are interested in).

I don't see it as a lateral move seeing we need a young top 4 with size that is a Shutdown Dman. Point wise your correct but he is an upgrade in terms of PK. Also, with Dermott, Nielsen, and the sweeds coming in the next few years Gardiner will not be resigned as it looks right now.