Detroit declines. One more year of double the price Provorov and a fringe NHL back up doesn’t get you a top 15 pick +

The thought would be to re-sign Provorov

Still too expensive

LD is the last position that Detroit is worried about. Chiarot while not the greatest is still around for 3 more years. Maata and Walman extended, and there are several prospects near NHL ready including Edvinsson. Detroit needs a 2C and RHD.

Wings pass, you traded the 1 area to them that's not a need

Your Target is LAK
They got a Provorov size hole on LD
That said PHI would have to RS of atleast 2m x 2 years to get them in the mix

He's still young but he's overpaid
I mean Petry's better and makes less but we had to trade him at a loss taking on term as no one else would offer picks or prospects.
Lucky for us Matheson has thrived here but similar to the Tatar trade he wasnt included because of that logic but because he wasnt earning his contract on his old team.


When he was 22-23 with those numbers people expected he'd hit another level so they were willing to pay
But at 26 its becoming clear he's not a #1 Defensman but more of a 2nd pair 3rd or 4th D being paid as a top guy.

My point is for LAK to get Value RS is a must .
The more you retain the higher the value.
Provorov at 50% RS brings everyone in the fold even cash strapped teams and teams looking to skate players then flip them like ANA did with Klingberg.



That said i think its more like

Provorov at 50% RS to LAK

For
Jordan Spence
Akil Thomas
Conditional 2nd that becomes a 1st if LAK makes WCF with Provorov playing half in 2022-23
Conditional 2nd that becomes a 1st if LAK makes WCF with Provorov playing half in 2023-24

Top RD Prospect outside Brandt Clarke who is not available.
Thomas who needs a system change and his speed based style is more appreciated in the East
Likely atleast 1/2 picks in the 2nd round turning into a 1st if not both (late 1st is like upgrading from the back of the line in the 2nd round to the front)

I miss Chiarot.
I know Jake Allen more then anyone does after last night.
He's not a leader on any pair, but put him beside a Leader on any pair and he'll play up to their level.

If i could make a deal work i would
MTL has a cluster of LD though and while i'd give up Savard or Kovacevic next year after the TDL
That would be for a profit and to clear room.

Only way i see Chiarot coming back is if he learns to play back up goalie lol

"Tearing it down" usually means trading high cap players and only expecting good picks in return. Teams can spend that cap on UFAs, and keep their picks. Yea, I don't see team that would want to give up so much for either so much cap or so little term.

Yes, you are right...teams never trade good picks for good players.

So you want to wait another 3-4 years before being a contender? Think Yzerman has had enough of the 10 year rebuild. Chiarot is not a top pairing guy. Also, Provy has played the right side in his career.

Unfortunately provorov would not make this team a contender. Also it will probably be another 3-4 years until we are contenders and that's the reality of it unless alot of players take massive strides in their play. Chiarot also doesn't play top pair, Walman plays top pair with Seider and from what I've seen they have been a top 5 pairing in the league. Provorov would be an upgrade over Maatta but the cost is drastically too great for the slight upgrade it would be. Not too mention he makes double what Maatta does. Those picks are more likely to have a greater impact on the team in comparison to what the difference of impact from Maatta to provorov would be.
For the rest of the trades, I don't think Columbus wants to move any firsts, they might be in on Hayes after the draft if they don't get one of the top players available but not at the cost of a first round pick.
I doubt Konecny pulls two firsts and a second as well, pretty expensive winger who is only a ppg player in this league now.

Did you say "only a ppg" player and $5.5 mil is expensive? Canes 1sts are gonna be late 1sts so ya, I think a ppg player is worth that. Hayes with that kind of retention is definitely worth a later 1st but would take the CBJ 2nd as well since it should be at the top of the round.

As for your Wings assessment, sure you might be right but Provy would be your best LHD. Maatta is not very good and Chiarot is meh. Walman is not as good as you Wings fans like to claim he is. But ya, DET seems to be in a perpetual rebuild with no end in sight.

Walman is the number 1 LD right now and you are correct in saying that he wouldn’t be if the Wings were contenders. He and Seider have been great, and with Edvinsson/AJ/Wallinder/Buium on the way hopefully one of them proves they can be top 4.

Provorov would be the number 1LD, however two mid 1sts is way too expensive when it won’t change the team. Maata has been just fine and is meant to be a 1-2 year stop gap until the kids are ready.

In two to three years the D core will be completely different.

Not too many players go for multiple 1st and a high 2nd. I like TK, but he’s not Timo Meier

Controlled vs rental

Go ahead and let me know the examples of controlled players who have been traded for 2x1st and a perceived high second.

Thanks for your comment, but it doesn’t really add much to the discussion. Timo Meier is not a rental

Yes…I’m quoting myself. I was curious so I looked for myself.

I stopped at 2009, and the only player traded in a deal similar to this was Phil Kessel back in 2009. You could make an argument with conditional picks included that players like Meier, Chychrun, and Seth Jones too…there just isn’t as much precedent for 2x1st and a 2nd rounder for a single player.

Mattias Ekholm just got traded for a 1st + Reid Schaffer (1st last year) + Barrie that could net a 2nd.
Claude Giroux (expiring contract) got traded for a 1st + Tippett (former early first) + 3rd
Brandon Hagle traded for 2 1sts + 2 NHLers
I won't use the Eichel trade even though I could
Blake Coleman garnered 2 1sts
Taylor Hall (expiring) for 1 st, a former 1st, a 3rd +

That's just back to 2019

You’ve stretched it a bit. But let’s go with it…let’s use Hagle and Coleman as examples. Using your logic, you’d accept 2023 1st + Ryan Suzuki (former 1st)?

No because TK is better than both those guys.

He’s also more expensive (AAV)

A ppg player at $5.5 is not expensive. It's actually below market value so "more expensive" isn't relevant.

It’s relevant when you use comps for two players who the lightning over paid for because they had low AAVs.

You’re twisting words, I said TK was ‘more expensive (AAV)’ not that his was expensive.

You are commenting as if I’ve said I don’t want or like TK, you don’t have to sell me on the player. The comment I made was on the return.

You won’t get 2x1st and a 2nd from the Canes for TK, find a different team.

Why does Allen miss Chiarot doesn't he have anyone to blame bad goals on?