Yeah a late first and a prospect that really isn't a difference maker ain't getting ehlers bud

Agree - low of Ehlers. What would be your value for Ehlers?

As a Preds fan, I don't like the 1st part of the trade. I'm a big fan of the screwing over PIT aspect though

That's fair value, but also i just don't see him being a great fit in the canes system. But if we can get him between a goal scorer like pacioretty and a forward who's more reliable on defense maybe like teravainen, it could maybe work. Also lets hope that 1st is 32nd overall rather than 31st 😉

Cost a lot more than a 4th for a retention when there is 6MM in actual money involved. If it was just cap cost maybe but the Kuz contract is back weighted. Be surprised if AZ would bite even for a 2nd. Maybe Chicago would go for that deal their cap management and expenditure management has been highly questionable for years.

If Winnipeg were to trade Ehlers, which is unlikely, they would want Washington's first round pick, not Carolina's which is going to be 29-32, and they would ask fort Iorio instead of the third rounder

Yeah probably capitals first mcm and Chesley. Jets don't need to trade ehlers so it's going to cost a pretty penny for sure.

Are you both saying Caps 2023 1st (which will be 8oa or higher)...

Because if so, that is absurd to me.

A guy who has not had over 60 points in a season since 2017-2018 (where he had 60) and has missed a significant amount of games in the last 5 seasons (hasn't played a full season since 2017-2018) is not worth 8oa in a loaded draft, an NHL ready center, and a B+ (at minimum) puck-moving RHD prospect (in Iorio and potentially Chesley)...

But maybe the overvaluation is because the Jets don't need to trade him?

Exactly the jets don't need to trade him whatsoever so a deal really needs to be over the top to make the jets consider it. If you look at his p/60 and what he would do in 82 game seasons his those 2 stats show that he's much more than a 60 point winger. Also with his cap is quite affordable and not a rental but 2 years plus so it's really got to be a good deal. Something that may be fair value just won't be enough when we're not forced to move him and arguably the best jets forward when he's on his game.

*edit: ehlers has played a full season in 2019-2020 that was cut short and wasn't finished and in the bubble in 2021 only missed 9 games but was almost ppg.

I wouldn't be so sure the jets feel like they don't need to move him given he was 7th in forward icetime for them. also p/60 and ppg is useful but it goes both ways. by p/60 mantha was a completely average 6th forward and shouldn't need assets attached to be moved.

It's not ehlers fault that the coaches don't know how to effectively use him. The reason why so many want him is the ability to really boom when he gets the slightest bit of trust with first line and top pp consistently. I think it speaks more to ehlers how great his stats been while getting this low amount of ice time. Not to mention he's the only one accountable for mistakes so when he had a bad play he'd get 13 minutes while scheifele would skate and do nothing with 21 minutes. Ehlers is the jets 2nd best forward and to trade him for a return that isn't a slam dunk for the jets when you don't even need to trade him is just dumb.

In the case of Mantha, sure he's been quite disappointing at the lowest value he's been ever so why attach assets to trade him when you can play him top line and sell him come deadline when his value is somewhat better or even just buy him out and deal with only 1 bad year of cap.

just because you think its not the coaches fault he doesn't play that much doesn't mean thats how the org thinks! I wouldn't be surprised if the jets keep ehlers but i also definitely wouldn't if they decide to move him. getting 8oa in this year's draft would be about as good as you could hope for if they did