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Leafs 2022 2023 Season Discussion Thread (Part 6: Quest for the Cup)

May 9, 2023 at 8:44 p.m.
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This would be interesting if it didnt also happen under Babcock


Under Babcock, he didn't play Matthews and Marner when it counted. He played Marleau.
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May 9, 2023 at 8:46 p.m.
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I dont really get that impression. Everyone here loves the Leafs, and as someone that has followed this team through some very dark days, it is infuriating to see such an amazing group of stars be wasted. We haven't had cup winning depth for ages, and if we blow it with a core as incredible as we have now, it will haunt us for ages. I hate that we can't get the most out of our roster. I want to see this team succeed more than many things, and this group obviously has it. We havent gotten the support or coaching we deserve. It is infuriating.


It's the coach. It's entirely the coach. This is how Keefe coaches the team. I don't understand how you guys don't see that. This is exactly how we played all year. And every time against Florida specifically we dominate for long stretches and then give up a bunch of stupid goals off odd man rushes and ****. Keefe has built a system that he refuses to bend from. It stops working and all he does is say, "stick with it". It's just the coach.
May 9, 2023 at 8:46 p.m.
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This would be interesting if it didnt also happen under Babcock


granted under babcock the core was all 22 years old or younger every year not easy to come in and carry a playoff team that young

Keefe has been mismanaging these guys in their prime, many years into their NHL career which I think makes it kinda different
May 9, 2023 at 8:47 p.m.
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Under Babcock, he didn't play Matthews and Marner when it counted. He played Marleau.


I'm struggling to see how that's relevant. Besides Keefe plays kampf with minutes left too.

Its the players
May 9, 2023 at 9:01 p.m.
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It's the coach. It's entirely the coach. This is how Keefe coaches the team. I don't understand how you guys don't see that. This is exactly how we played all year. And every time against Florida specifically we dominate for long stretches and then give up a bunch of stupid goals off odd man rushes and ****. Keefe has built a system that he refuses to bend from. It stops working and all he does is say, "stick with it". It's just the coach.


Thats what I was alluding to
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May 9, 2023 at 9:08 p.m.
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I'm struggling to see how that's relevant. Besides Keefe plays kampf with minutes left too.

Its the players


You are hell bent on blowing it up eh?
May 9, 2023 at 9:14 p.m.
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You are hell bent on blowing it up eh?


Certainly not.

Blowing it up requires a total rebuild - which would be stupid.
The cancer starts with Marner. Remove the tumor
May 9, 2023 at 9:30 p.m.
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Babcock

2017 BOS 5v5 ice leaders fwds
Matthews
Marner
Marleau
Brown

2018 BOS 5v5 ice leaders fwds
Matthews
Tavares
Marner
Hyman
May 9, 2023 at 9:49 p.m.
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I'm struggling to see how that's relevant. Besides Keefe plays kampf with minutes left too.

Its the players


You can't blame the core under Babcock because A) they were never given a chance to thrive and B) the were in their what 1st, 2nd and 3rd years in the league at that time going up against vastly better teams.

I don't really care about the bubble year. Best of 5 with a new coach in a broken season. Whatever

Vs Montreal exactly what is killing TO now killed us then. Turnovers giving the opposition quick strike offence and a hot goalie. Keefe did nothing to address those issues and made zero adjustments then.

Vs Tampa last year, it was a coin flip but TO had the lead in the series and didn't make any adjustments after Tampa made theirs in games 6 and 7.

Vs Tampa this year, Tampa was the better team. Cooper for two straight years completely out coached him but the Leafs lucked out, almost entirely on the shoulders of the big 4. Matthews, JT and Rielly mainly.

Vs Florida same as Montreal but we got goalied later in the series vs Montreal but same thing, the same turnovers gave Montreal all the offence they needed.

Keefe just hasn't been able to make the adjustments he needs to succeed in the playoffs. In the regular season your reinforce and lock down the system and in the playoffs you have to be able to adapt to what the opposition gives you and it'll change over a 7 game series. What has TO done differently in this series or last for that matter. Changed out a player or two and do exactly the same thing as last game, but nothing else.

It's the coach
May 9, 2023 at 9:49 p.m.
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Certainly not.

Blowing it up requires a total rebuild - which would be stupid.
The cancer starts with Marner. Remove the tumor


He's not a cancer that's just ridiculous
May 9, 2023 at 9:54 p.m.
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He's not a cancer that's just ridiculous


Seems to me that he is from everything we have seen both on and off the ice. The ****ty play to the ****ty attitude.

I don't think he is a bad player or anything, hell i think he will thrive somewhere out of the spotlight, but it isnt happening here
May 9, 2023 at 9:55 p.m.
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On a unrelated note:

Servo is reporting that Canucks need to spend high picks to dump Garland.
Watching intently. If he gets bought out I have a lot of angry canucks fans to Dunk on
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May 9, 2023 at 11:15 p.m.
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On a unrelated note:

Servo is reporting that Canucks need to spend high picks to dump Garland.
Watching intently. If he gets bought out I have a lot of angry canucks fans to Dunk on


Im eyeing Garland but there's someone this FA Im eyeing. Killorn

Guy was a workhorse in Tampa. Remember game 3 scoring 2 on us. He, Cirelli and Hagel were a menace. And he adds more cup pedigree (2x champ)

One team to keep a very close eye on is LAK. They gonna have cap issues and got to many forwards. If Dubas or whoever's GM plays their cards right we could get Iafallo or Vilardi
May 9, 2023 at 11:18 p.m.
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Quoting: MatthewsFan
Babcock

2017 BOS 5v5 ice leaders fwds
Matthews
Marner
Marleau
Brown

2018 BOS 5v5 ice leaders fwds
Matthews
Tavares
Marner
Hyman


In game 6 when up 3 games to 2 and down a goal. Marleau played more than Matthews.
May 9, 2023 at 11:23 p.m.
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In game 6 when up 3 games to 2 and down a goal. Marleau played more than Matthews.


Perchance, do you recall why that was?

Because I do
May 9, 2023 at 11:29 p.m.
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Perchance, do you recall why that was?

Because I do


Mike-Babcock-Toronto-Maple-Leafs.jpg
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May 9, 2023 at 11:35 p.m.
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(Its because he and the other stars were playing like ****)
May 9, 2023 at 11:36 p.m.
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Edited May 10, 2023 at 12:04 a.m.
I freakin love Natural Stat Trick

Game 6 BOS vs TOR 4-2 BOS win

5v5 Ice Leaders when down 1 goal
Matthews
Tavares
Marner
Johnsson
Hyman
Kapanen
Marleau


EDIT:

So I don’t skew it:

F TOI in the final 5 mins of the 3rd period:

Matthews 3:15
Marleau 2:57
Tavares 2:44
Marner 2:34
Nylander 2:24
Johnsson 1:45
Brown 0:50
Kapanen 0:40
Hyman 0:34
May 10, 2023 at 1:03 a.m.
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(Its because he and the other stars were playing like ****)


U sure its not him who put a 1 leg Hyman out over AM lul wink
May 10, 2023 at 1:40 a.m.
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U sure its not him who put a 1 leg Hyman out over AM lul wink


Doesn't change the fact that the big guys where having one of their many bad late series games
May 10, 2023 at 6:52 a.m.
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Perchance, do you recall why that was?

Because I do


Because Babcock sucks
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May 10, 2023 at 6:53 a.m.
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Doesn't change the fact that the big guys where having one of their many bad late series games


You bend reality to fit your emotions man
May 10, 2023 at 7:58 a.m.
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You bend reality to fit your emotions man


I think your eye test and memory kinda just suck
May 10, 2023 at 9:14 a.m.
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I think your eye test and memory kinda just suck


No, I am just not lost being mad
May 10, 2023 at 11:33 a.m.
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It's actually just insulting at this point
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