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Team: 2023-24 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: May 1, 2023
Published: May 1, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$900,000
1$900,000
1$800,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
5$6,000,000
1$1,000,000
1$1,000,000
5$6,500,000
5$5,200,000
5$6,000,000
1$2,750,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
bedard, connor
1$875,000
Trades
1.
COL
  1. Malkin, Evgeni
  2. 2023 1st round pick (PIT)
  3. 2023 3rd round pick (NJD)
  4. 2024 1st round pick (PIT)
2.
PIT
  1. 2023 1st round pick (ANA)
Additional Details:
bedard
ANA
  1. Guentzel, Jake
  2. 2024 2nd round pick (PIT)
  3. 2025 1st round pick (PIT)
  4. 2025 2nd round pick (PIT)
3.
PIT
  1. 2023 6th round pick (FLA)
4.
PIT
PHI
  1. Carter, Jeff
  2. 2024 3rd round pick (VGK)
5.
PIT
  1. 2025 3rd round pick (MIN)
MIN
  1. Petry, Jeff ($3,000,000 retained)
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
Logo of the PIT
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2025
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Logo of the PIT
Logo of the PIT
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
21$82,500,000$82,425,175$0$0$74,825
Left WingCentreRight Wing
$6,000,000$6,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$8,700,000$8,700,000
C
NMC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$5,125,000$5,125,000
RW, LW
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$5,000,000$5,000,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 5
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$12,600,000$12,600,000
C
NMC
UFA - 8
$6,500,000$6,500,000
RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$900,000$900,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
bedard, connor
$875,000$875,000
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$775,000$775,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$800,000$800,000
LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$1,000,000$1,000,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
$1,000,000$1,000,000
RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$4,025,175$4,025,175
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$6,100,000$6,100,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$2,750,000$2,750,000
G
UFA - 5
$5,200,000$5,200,000
LD
UFA - 6
$6,000,000$6,000,000
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$1,800,000$1,800,000
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$825,000$825,000
LD
RFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$900,000$900,000
LD/RD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$800,000$800,000
RD
UFA - 1

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May 1, 2023 at 8:29 p.m.
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GO FLAMES GO
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No way Anaheim accepts
May 1, 2023 at 8:29 p.m.
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Seems like a good deal for the Avs. What's the catch?
May 1, 2023 at 8:30 p.m.
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Those are interesting moves. I think the value for the Col trade might be ok but the Bedard trade is likely off.

Then again, he wouldn't be the first hyped prospect who didn't live up to expectations.

The McKinnen trade would need to come with a reasonable extension.
May 1, 2023 at 8:37 p.m.
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Quoting: Victor24
Those are interesting moves. I think the value for the Col trade might be ok but the Bedard trade is likely off.

Then again, he wouldn't be the first hyped prospect who didn't live up to expectations.

The McKinnen trade would need to come with a reasonable extension.


None of it would happen, but more then 3 firsts for someone who has never played. Would think they have to at least consider. Would probably make sense to give 2023 first to them instead
May 1, 2023 at 8:41 p.m.
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Quoting: Victor24
Those are interesting moves. I think the value for the Col trade might be ok but the Bedard trade is likely off.

Then again, he wouldn't be the first hyped prospect who didn't live up to expectations.

The McKinnen trade would need to come with a reasonable extension.


He... already has an extension
May 1, 2023 at 8:42 p.m.
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Quoting: Victor24
Those are interesting moves. I think the value for the Col trade might be ok but the Bedard trade is likely off.

Then again, he wouldn't be the first hyped prospect who didn't live up to expectations.

The McKinnen trade would need to come with a reasonable extension.


How do you figure that COL trade is fair? A 37yr old 2 middling 1st rd picks for a 27yr old top 5 player in the league? Really I’m curious how you rationalize that any team that had a MacKinnon type would do that? Would EDM do that for Draisitl? No. Would TOR do that for Matthews? No. Would FLA do that for Barkov? No. It’s not even remotely in the planet of fair.
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May 1, 2023 at 8:43 p.m.
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I wish I hadn't lol.
May 1, 2023 at 8:43 p.m.
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He... already has an extension


Missed that. My bad.
May 1, 2023 at 8:44 p.m.
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No way Anaheim accepts


Not like any of this would happen. But could add 2026 first as well. Team would be set
May 1, 2023 at 8:49 p.m.
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Quoting: pensgm
Not like any of this would happen. But could add 2026 first as well. Team would be set


Still wouldn't happen.
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May 1, 2023 at 8:55 p.m.
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The value isn’t there for Colorado and Anaheim. People think of Bedard as having a value of a young Crosby. Mackinnon isn’t moving from Colorado for Malkin +. Rutta and Petry are both expensive options for FLA and MIN, who both need all the cap room they can get. Maybe the Philly trade but I think Briere and torts would rather play young players to fill the holes.
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May 1, 2023 at 8:57 p.m.
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How do you figure that COL trade is fair? A 37yr old 2 middling 1st rd picks for a 27yr old top 5 player in the league? Really I’m curious how you rationalize that any team that had a MacKinnon type would do that? Would EDM do that for Draisitl? No. Would TOR do that for Matthews? No. Would FLA do that for Barkov? No. It’s not even remotely in the planet of fair.


The 37yo is a PPG player and a HOFer. MacKinnon is great but 12MM a year is a lot. Ask Chi how that Toews contract aged. He is signed until he is 36. They don't all age like Malkin.

All if that said, I wouldn't do the trade. I just think it's fair. And yes, I do think Tor or Edm would make that trade if Matthews or Draisitl was 12MM until he was 36.
May 1, 2023 at 9:04 p.m.
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I wish I hadn't lol.


Bro same

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Not like any of this would happen. But could add 2026 first as well. Team would be set


Yeah drafting Bedard and we’d be set, this whole thing is brutal
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May 1, 2023 at 9:15 p.m.
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The 37yo is a PPG player and a HOFer. MacKinnon is great but 12MM a year is a lot. Ask Chi how that Toews contract aged. He is signed until he is 36. They don't all age like Malkin.

All if that said, I wouldn't do the trade. I just think it's fair. And yes, I do think Tor or Edm would make that trade if Matthews or Draisitl was 12MM until he was 36.


Malkin's had a fine career, no one's arguing what he's done in the past. But he's still 37 and already isn't the player he uses to be. MacKinnon on the other hand is in his prime. Colorado doesn't care if the deal looks rough 6 years from now, it looks fine now.
May 1, 2023 at 9:15 p.m.
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Bro same



Yeah drafting Bedard and we’d be set, this whole thing is brutal


Set with trio of centers. Well aware none of it would happen
May 1, 2023 at 9:20 p.m.
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Dangit, I looked...
May 1, 2023 at 11:07 p.m.
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Quoting: Victor24
The 37yo is a PPG player and a HOFer. MacKinnon is great but 12MM a year is a lot. Ask Chi how that Toews contract aged. He is signed until he is 36. They don't all age like Malkin.

All if that said, I wouldn't do the trade. I just think it's fair. And yes, I do think Tor or Edm would make that trade if Matthews or Draisitl was 12MM until he was 36.


That’s just crazy. You’re talking about at a minimum of 5 years of 100pt performance for a 37yr old that could fall off a cliff in a year and 2 middling picks. You are kidding yourself if you think any team does that and that’s not even taking into account that the cap is going to go up significantly during the duration of that contract.
May 2, 2023 at 9:24 a.m.
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That’s just crazy. You’re talking about at a minimum of 5 years of 100pt performance for a 37yr old that could fall off a cliff in a year and 2 middling picks. You are kidding yourself if you think any team does that and that’s not even taking into account that the cap is going to go up significantly during the duration of that contract.


Again, the 37yo has been a PPG player pretty much his whole career. Yes, he could fall off. So could MacKinnon. So can everyone, regardless of age.

Two middling picks? You say that as if they are 4th rounders. One is 14 overall and the other is likely between 19 - 25 overall.

Yes, the cap will go up...probably. Unless there is another Covid or a recession or *insert economic problem that inhibits excess spending by the public*. Even if / when the cap goes up, 12MM is still a lot if MacKinnon falls off post 30.

The risk of Pit is that MacKinnon falls off post 30 and they are stuck with an unmovable contract.

The risk of Col is that MacKinnon stays great throughout his contract.

Both have risk, both could happen. It's a fair trade but not realistic due to emotional impact.
May 2, 2023 at 11:49 a.m.
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Again, the 37yo has been a PPG player pretty much his whole career. Yes, he could fall off. So could MacKinnon. So can everyone, regardless of age.

Two middling picks? You say that as if they are 4th rounders. One is 14 overall and the other is likely between 19 - 25 overall.

Yes, the cap will go up...probably. Unless there is another Covid or a recession or *insert economic problem that inhibits excess spending by the public*. Even if / when the cap goes up, 12MM is still a lot if MacKinnon falls off post 30.

The risk of Pit is that MacKinnon falls off post 30 and they are stuck with an unmovable contract.

The risk of Col is that MacKinnon stays great throughout his contract.

Both have risk, both could happen. It's a fair trade but not realistic due to emotional impact.


It’s not realistic on any level. You trying to convince yourself playing “well MacKinnon could fall off too” just goes to show you are more interested in not being wrong than being right. I mean god help any company you might run if you think trading away a top 5 player in the league at his absolute prime years for a 37yr old and 2 late 1st rd picks. It isn’t a fair trade no matter how you try to rationalize it.
 
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