Too rich for a rental

Would likely be able to talk to Buffalo beforehand to have Hellebuyck stay more than 1 year. He extends for 3/4 years that has to change the mentality of the deal

I think something like:

2023 1st, Jokiharju, Ukko, and a prospect not named Savoie, Kulich, or Ostlund, for Demelo and Hellebuyck is good for both teams.

WPG takes this. BUF doesn't. UNLESS it's conditioned on Helly signing a contract that BUF wants. Then... maybe. I still think BUF passes, but maybe if Helly signs a BUF friendly contract.

Okay 2023 first joker upl rosen for demelo and helle

That would definitely change things. If not, then I can't see both the 2023 1st and one of the first round picks least year being included.

With Devon Levi now out of college and in the pros, do they really need to trade for a goalie?

For sure but with how good helle is I doubt whoever acquires him sees him as a rental. They will pay the price where they know he will stay atleast 3 season. I cannot stress how pivotal helle mentoring Levi would be and what that tandem could do. Instantly becomes probably the best tandem rivaled by Boston mainly.

typically doesnt break a teams way when they bet everything on a rookie with like 6 games of nhl experience

Why would hellebuyck take a 3 year deal though? I certainly get the argument for why the Sabres should do it, but im not sure they could convince him of that. With the position being so volatile, he'd want max security. And I have to think he has another strong year, someone will give him term

You can't just throw Levi to the wolves. Having a mentor and 3 time vezna finalist could really allow Levi to become the best goalie in the league in due time if things go right. Look at bishop and vasi and how that worked out. Also can reflip helle in like 4 years to get some assets back as well.

He takes a 3/4 year deal so that he still has the opportunity to choose if he wants to go elsewhere for an overpayment when Levi takes over. Again similar to Ben bishop where he was a great goalie that was the starter over vasi and when vasi was ready he is still there for stability and can be flipped and sign where he thinks has a chance to win.

I think Helly to Buffalo makes a lot of sense. Buffalo fans will tell you they don’t need him as they have Levi, but tell me how many goalies step into the league at his age, playing 30 or so games a year in college, while skipping any AHL stints and instantly become starters in the NHL? He would be best served playing in the A, getting acclimated to the pro game and then coming in as a backup, and slowly over the years taking over as the starter. VERY few goalies hit their peak before they hit 25, some even later. Not to mention goalies are naturally voodoo anyways and you need to mentally strong for when you game does eventually suffer setbacks and slumps. That’s what the AHL is for, and for a guy like Helly to mentor and coach him through the hard times.
Getting Helly now, and acclimating Levi slowly will make Buffalo a stronger team for longer.
Frankly, as a Jets fan I don’t particularly care where he goes, but I love watching this league flip from basement dwellers to contenders as we are seeing now. The Buffalos, NJs, Seattle’s and Florida’s, its nice to see them turning over the Tampa’s, LAs and Bostons who were powerhouses for the last decade. I’d rather see Helly go to an up and comer rather than as a rental for a Pittsburgh making one more push.
Just my two cents

There's a difference between "betting everything on a rookie" and not giving up the 13th overall pick in a strong draft year for a rental goaltender.

on average, factoring in strong draft years, the 13th overall pick has like a 20% chance of being a top 6 forward. Depending on how the first 12 picks break, there may be more value in adding Hellebuyck to ensure a playoff spot than drafting another girgensons.

You're assuming Buffalo re-signs him. If this trade happens before the 2023 draft, then he won't be eligible for an extension at the time of the trade. Make it the 2024 1st with an extension in place (i.e. after July 1) and this trade would make more sense for Buffalo.

Maybe, i just dont see the upside. one bad year and his future earnings take a hit because no one can evaluate goaltending. If I were him, and got BUF to the playoffs or even won a round, Id be asking for the full 7 years in FA.

Again teams aquiring him would likely have some type of indication of his ability to stay with the team for a certain period of time. 3/4 years makes sense and would warrent the price. Look at horvat as an example where they paid a price and knew he would sign there. Helle would be a similar case and if not then he goes elsewhere to a team that he would extend as his longevity with the aquiring team increases the return

Jets would rather a 2023 first as it's known and the draft is quite good. 2024 first would be less valuable to the jets resulting in adding more assets in the deal. The deal is quite even if helle resigns which isn't out of the realm of possibility.

Maybe if that was the only thing going back and offset by a 3rd. Add Ostlund to the trade and this just becomes a huge overpayment to fill a gap that may not even exist.

At best, I think Buffalo needs a 1B goaltender.

Probably, but 1B goaltenders are so hard to predict. Like 8 guys every year in FA who fit that profile and its anyones guess who ends up actually performing like a 1B the next year.

I don't agree that this is anywhere close to even.

Yeah 7 years might be his ask too I'm more assuming as if he gets 7 years it may affect future contracts when he's 36-38 years old and isn't the goalie he is now. 4 years ensure he is productive throughout the whole contract, tradable when Levi takes over and leaves room to choose a destination to win (say Detroit to be a tandem with cossa)

Kings probably can't afford to re-sign Korpisalo. Buffalo should sign Korpisalo.

lol, thats exactly what i mean. The guy was very good, then very bad, then good, then bad. That cant be the guy who is 1B to Levi.