"Marner is not worth his contract"

**Then proceeds to sell the house for him

😭

Just because he's not worth 11 million doesn't mean he isn't a good player. So many people make this mistake. EK isn't worth 11 million a year, doesn't mean he isn't excellent when he's healthy

if this poster is anything it is wildly consistent.

I dont get where people get the nonsense hes not worth that deal every hockey model has him as a 13mill player in todays NHL



Heck 2 teams were planning to throw more than 10.9 at him so the notion hes not worth 11 is just silly. Every center in the NHL wants this guy feeding them pucks

He once tried to convince me that Svechnikov plays a more "desireable way than Marner", when comparing him to a literal Selke finalist lol.

You clearly know nothing about the Leafs system or how they play hockey. But I wouldn't expect anything more from someone that isn't an actual fan of the team.

I would be more concerned with
A. Marner's production in games that really matter
B. How he fits in a Rod Brind'Amour system

I dont get in the debates these days

But for those who say Marner aint worth his money sorry the guy proved 2 years ago that was just a false silly notion. Hes climbing the ranks as one of the best 2-way RW in the NHL, is a monster on the pk, and make sweet PP passes. Anyone would throw 10+ mill at a guy like that especially before the covid era. Heck 2 teams were planning 13+ mill OS for him

Well considering Marner scored the game winner on Bob for game 4 while Carolina got broke by him I think Brind would love a guy like this

Him feeding Aho sweet feeds would be a nice way to raise his value

Because of the contract that Svechnikov and Marner signed. The Selke Award never actually goes to the best defensive forward anyway because you never see Staal or Petterson nominated for it even though they are both top 5 defensive forwards

I mean the canes are never doing this because their owner will never allow ~11 mil of his payroll to go to one player, let alone someone who will walk in 2 years.

Marner isn't a bad playoff player. I don't know why Leafs haters/fans brought that narrative back to life. Especially since he was literally leading the league in points before he ran into Bobrovsky. Also, Marner isn't a "system" player. No style of hockey will change the way he plays. He controls the system. He was a superstar under Babcock. He'd be a superstar under Rod.

Carolina did not get broken by Bob... our injuries from earlier in the season finally caught up with us. Didn't the Leafs lose game 5 against the Panthers?

I think along the way the media that votes for this trophy forgot what it's actually about. They give it to the best 2-way forward, but the award description pretty clearly says "best excels in the defensive aspects of the game"

Marner probably makes a lot of sense for Carolina to target. The issue is the trade would need to help both teams and this one doesn't. I imagine Necas would uave to be a core piece involved coming back.

With the exception of this year, it seems like he's never really produced in games where the Leafs could clinch or be eliminated... I might be wrong with that perception. When I talk about the system with Rod Brind'Amour... I'm talking about his ability to buy into the program that Rod is selling

He obviously meant game 4. And you guys 100% got broken by Bob. It's not a bad thing, the entire league is getting destroyed by him.

Ah yes. Another one of those “we want your best players but we don’t wanna give up anything you want” type of posts.

A 100 point, Selke nominee player isn’t worth his contract? The cap hit is high, sure. But the actual amount of money left is $8.8M and he isn’t even a 1 year rental. Marner’s contract is actual probably the best one of the core 4. At bare minimum you’d be giving up a young roster player (not Teravainen who’s a one year rental and nothing more than a 2nd liner).

& don’t throw the “Marner will just walk in 2 years” crap out there. Plenty of stars are traded with 1.5 years left on their deals at the deadline and the return includes a young player. & hell, you’d have 2 years to talk to him about an extension. You don’t think he’d wanna play for a team that had a good chance to win? Good chance he’s re-sign in Carolina actually. So just stop with this non-sense. It’s nothing more than anti-Leafs posts. Although I do appreciate the good laugh

Staal isn't put in nearly as many difficult roles as the top end forwards who are nominated. Yeah, his defensive numbers are great, but he's not used as much.
Petterson I can see being an actual nominee, his defensive numbers are great, but he can't win draws. Has a career 43 FO%, which is crucial if you're a center who wants to be nominated.

Exactly... If it was actually about the best defensive forward it would probably be Bergeron, Staal, Petterson and maybe a couple of others that I'm forgetting

I think there is a trade but the issue is idk if Carolina would want to do it. As would they want to move on from Necas probs not they love the guy but who knows GMs love a guy one day then yeet him another (Unless hes the best of the best). I dont think Toronto wants futures for either guy unless they turn around and flip them for someone else

Always possible

Summer will be interesting thats for sure

That's a very fair argument but Marner is only owed 8M on the final 2 years of his deal. Unfortunately he has a full NMC kicking in on July 1st otherwise a trade after that would make him only owed 775k for this season and 8M for next.

Also since Carolina is a contender he is significantly less likely to just walk in 2 years

I'm more than willing to give up multiple firsts and Morrow if Marner is willing to sign an extension once he's eligible. I don't want to give that up but I think it's necessary to get him

It’s not all about points when it matters. He’s a playmaker and he can set guys up all day but if they don’t finish that’s not his fault and people think he looks worse because he didn’t have the point. But if the guy he passed to put the puck in the net then there is no story. Even when he’s not scoring he’s consistently creating chances and playing strong defence - that’s what matters.

Brind’Amour would absolutely love Marner. He’s a much better version of Aho. Elite two-way star that plays in all situations. What coach wouldn’t love that.