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To MTL and WPG Fans

Created by: arafay
Team: 2023-24 Winnipeg Jets
Initial Creation Date: May 31, 2023
Published: May 31, 2023
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For all who need to hear this, MTL and Winnipeg fans alike.

MTL fans:
1. your leverage is only if Dubois is ONLY willing to sign long term in MTL. There is no single statement anywhere that suggests this is the case. Dubois has called much of the rumours “fake news” when asked about them. And his agent said what he said in a speculative manner when asked directly about mtl. MTL has no leverage if he is willing to sign elsewhere.

Now, I’m going to assume that he’s only willing to sign in MTL for the sake of argument.

MTL Fans: Your leverage starts once you beat the other 30 teams in the league. Regardless of if he’s willing to sign long term or not, teams will be willing to pay a rental price for dubois. That means a 1st, decent roster player, and a high end prospect. And you, as MTL, have to beat that offer for the jets to consider your offer. Your leverage in this case comes in beyond that. If Dubois is only going to sign in MTL, you only have to pay a rental price for him, not a long term dubois you would be getting.

WPG Fans: Unless you are adding something significant in addition, MTL isn’t moving 5 oa, just stop, it’s embarrassing. If Dubois was coming with a long term extension and he was also willing to sign elsewhere, you may have a case for 5 oa. But even then, I think MTL moves on for the price and keeps what they have.


My thoughts: MTL definitely has leverage, but not nearly as much as their fans think. With the above being true (and it unarguably is), I think Dubois has a short list of teams he’s willing to sign an extension with. MTL is definitely on that list. But I also think a team like LA or NYR might be as well. It will be a small list because I think Dubois wants to be in a big market and also wants to go to a winning team, but the list is there. So yes, you have some leverage being one of the only teams he’s willing to sign long term with, but you aren’t the only one in my opinion. Is Dach reasonable? I think it depends on what MTL thinks of him and Dubois. If they think Dach will never get to the point dubois is already at (which is my opinion), I think they would be open to including him in a deal. Otherwise, I think the jets need to look at a different guy like Barron. This is what I think happens. Just my opinion based on the above. (Similar to the Trouba trade)
Trades
WPG
  1. Dach, Kirby
  2. 2023 1st round pick (FLA)
MTL
  1. Dubois, Pierre-Luc [RFA Rights]
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2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
16$83,500,000$66,420,358$0$1,150,000$17,079,642
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$7,142,857$7,142,857
LW
UFA - 3
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$6,125,000$6,125,000
C
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UFA - 1
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$800,000$800,000 (Performance Bonus$300,000$300K)
RW
NTC
UFA - 1
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$3,362,500$3,362,500
C, RW
RFA - 3
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$775,000$775,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$2,166,667$2,166,667
RW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$6,250,000$6,250,000
LD
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UFA - 5
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$5,875,000$5,875,000
RD
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UFA - 2
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$6,166,667$6,166,667
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NMC
UFA - 1
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$5,950,000$5,950,000
LD/RD
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UFA - 2
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
RD
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UFA - 1
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$3,900,000$3,900,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$762,500$762,500
LD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LW, C
RFA - 1

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Jun. 1, 2023 at 1:12 p.m.
#151
I Love J Boqvist
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Quoting: habitantlecolon
If you say so (150!!)

But a player producing are an x pace on a worst team can really do more on a better team (this is in fact most of the time right)


Half his points were from suzuki and caufield. What team are you going to stick him on. If he's a center, there's maybe 6 teams he'd be a top 6 C on (and they aren't very good teams). So either he sticks on the second line wing on a decent team, where he probably doesn't get better linemates than suzuki and caufield and likely doesn't get PP1 time, or he goes to another **** team as a 2C
Jun. 1, 2023 at 3:38 p.m.
#152
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Quoting: habitantlecolon
they should play Lambert Davidson Dach and go full blast ahead if they wish to win !! Guenther was easily tossed last game against Remparts


I like the first line as is, they’re still getting their chances and it would be strange to split them after one game (that was basically 1-0).

I agree they play Davidson and dach together though. But hurts their depth.
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Jun. 1, 2023 at 4:10 p.m.
#153
Bandwagon fairweathe
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Quoting: dgibb10
Half his points were from suzuki and caufield. What team are you going to stick him on. If he's a center, there's maybe 6 teams he'd be a top 6 C on (and they aren't very good teams). So either he sticks on the second line wing on a decent team, where he probably doesn't get better linemates than suzuki and caufield and likely doesn't get PP1 time, or he goes to another **** team as a 2C

He’s a poor man’s laine playing out of position, it does have me intrigue to recreate him as the trigger man on the pp in laines old spot in Winnipeg, but don’t believe he’s coming because of the hype and the assets given up for the purchase of the new gm.
Jun. 1, 2023 at 4:40 p.m.
#154
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Quoting: dgibb10
Half his points were from suzuki and caufield. What team are you going to stick him on. If he's a center, there's maybe 6 teams he'd be a top 6 C on (and they aren't very good teams). So either he sticks on the second line wing on a decent team, where he probably doesn't get better linemates than suzuki and caufield and likely doesn't get PP1 time, or he goes to another **** team as a 2C


What word is used in english to someone sticking to a narrative so tight that this is pure gibberish at this point?
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Jun. 2, 2023 at 10:19 a.m.
#155
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Quoting: habitantlecolon
So why in the first place Jets fans are asking Dach or whoever from Habs if he is Untouchable or that rumors are false?! Is he really out of reach or do the fans don't want to lose him?! Is this whole almost 150 comments out of context?!


Honestly don't know. Could also be his Agent is stirring the pot to try and create a bidding war. Try and make teams think he wants to go to Montreal to try and see if other teams will offer big money to try and change his mind. My opinion as a Jets fan is, while I think he is a terrible human and very selfish. I would like to see him stay with Winnipeg. When he tries, he is a very good 200' player. He is strong on the puck, great back checker, very physical, borderline an agitator.

I think Winnipeg gets the trade rumors from the Winnipeg Media.We almost blinded by it because we think the media knows something. So we take their words and run with it. Not sure what is said through the Montreal media but all of the Winnipeg media suggests it will take Dach, 5th overall, or Barron to woo the Jets. Of course nobody knows what a deal will look like. I love the comments "untouchable". The fact is, every player is available if a team thinks the player they are receiving is that good.

It was reported as well that Dubois could be heading to LA for Byfield, Clarke and a high draft pick. Seems like a lot to me for LA to give up, but these guys must be getting this information from somewhere or they could also just be spitballing like all of us.

Winnipeg media today said that a deal that has been discussed is Scheifele to Carolina for Jarvis and Pesce. Now Carolina fans would say absolute not, and maybe they are right, but that is what we hear from our reporters.

I actually love/hate this site. It would be so much better if everyone on here wasn't so rude all of the time. I am assuming that the ones that are are just kids. Can't imagine any adults acting like that. Its great to see the passion of all fan bases and how everyone values their players. It is also funny to see all the trades proposed with the same players and people talking like these players are good, yet every trade has them getting rid of that player. Take Dvorak for example. I have heard how good he is and how good he will be, he has just been shut down by the Canadiens because they had nothing to play for.
 
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