For all who need to hear this, MTL and Winnipeg fans alike.
MTL fans:
1. your leverage is only if Dubois is ONLY willing to sign long term in MTL. There is no single statement anywhere that suggests this is the case. Dubois has called much of the rumours “fake news” when asked about them. And his agent said what he said in a speculative manner when asked directly about mtl. MTL has no leverage if he is willing to sign elsewhere.
Now, I’m going to assume that he’s only willing to sign in MTL for the sake of argument.
MTL Fans: Your leverage starts once you beat the other 30 teams in the league. Regardless of if he’s willing to sign long term or not, teams will be willing to pay a rental price for dubois. That means a 1st, decent roster player, and a high end prospect. And you, as MTL, have to beat that offer for the jets to consider your offer. Your leverage in this case comes in beyond that. If Dubois is only going to sign in MTL, you only have to pay a rental price for him, not a long term dubois you would be getting.
WPG Fans: Unless you are adding something significant in addition, MTL isn’t moving 5 oa, just stop, it’s embarrassing. If Dubois was coming with a long term extension and he was also willing to sign elsewhere, you may have a case for 5 oa. But even then, I think MTL moves on for the price and keeps what they have.
My thoughts: MTL definitely has leverage, but not nearly as much as their fans think. With the above being true (and it unarguably is), I think Dubois has a short list of teams he’s willing to sign an extension with. MTL is definitely on that list. But I also think a team like LA or NYR might be as well. It will be a small list because I think Dubois wants to be in a big market and also wants to go to a winning team, but the list is there. So yes, you have some leverage being one of the only teams he’s willing to sign long term with, but you aren’t the only one in my opinion. Is Dach reasonable? I think it depends on what MTL thinks of him and Dubois. If they think Dach will never get to the point dubois is already at (which is my opinion), I think they would be open to including him in a deal. Otherwise, I think the jets need to look at a different guy like Barron. This is what I think happens. Just my opinion based on the above. (Similar to the Trouba trade)
It's relevant to dach's talent level and production which was the actual reason dach was traded
The Hawks were not even doing better. You guys need to put those stats in an active team and a top team. Team chemistry or situation can work against numbers ... even in an industry we can see such performance lacking with someone who is not in the right role .... !!
SMH i love how this is what defines your argument now SMH
Let me guess if i fact check this one your statement will be wrong here too ?
Hahahahaha just got back
Literally 5 power play points in his career and never hit 20 pts ever
You'd rather a less then 20 point 33 year old over Dach?
Dude .... wow you're salty as my jock after a game.
To do that kind of Mental Olympics to abuse a 22 old player . . . What a Hero hahahaha
Matt Martin: 18 5v5 points
Kirby Dach: 18 5v5 points
And Matt Martin didn't even get favourable zone starts.
I don't know where you read that I said martin was better or even good.
The point is Matt Martin SUCKS. And Dach can't outproduce him 5v5.
The point is Ryan Reaves SUCKS. And dach still gets less points/60 minutes than him 5v5.
NHL won't allow the Jets to sign Dubois to a one year deal then retain and trade him?
Dubois doesn't want to stay, doubt he'd care and don't see how an offersheet has anything to do with this.
Quote me where i said that.
My Entire comment was around OS
You'd literally have to try to miss it given the Source is also focused on OS
your response "lets not talk about OS "
Dgibb i expect it from
You i actually know are intelligent enough to understand the difference between a conversation and statement made about OS and ones that are not .
Offer sheet is a different situation. The user was saying we sign dubois and move him, not match an offer sheet. You can’t trade players after matching an OS for 1 year. That I agree with.
Literally the only ****ing situation i brought up SMH
The Hawks were not even doing better. You guys need to put those stats in an active team and a top team. Team chemistry or situation can work against numbers ... even in an industry we can see such performance lacking with someone who is not in the right role .... !!
Dach got top line opportunities in Chicago and couldn't do anything with them. He hasn't improved at Even strength since his rookie year
heu wait WHAT!! habs are litteraly top5 in the league for prospect quality and are mentionned to be the deepest pool of prospect this last season. We might not be your cool, but geez!!
Really? I had no idea a rebuilding team would have a good prospect pool! Thanks for the enlightenment.
My point is that the jets have Lambert, Lucius, mcgroarty, and rashevsky who project to be top 6 players. And chibrikov who has top 6 potential. What will MTL offer the jets that makes their pool better? Kidney is chibrikov level. Beck and Roy are at the same level as mcgroarty and rashevsky, but not lambert and Lucius. And that’s all ignoring the fact that the jets do not have enough space in their top 6 for all those guys long term.
As I said, if you have a projected top 4 rd prospect, we can talk prospects. Otherwise, there’s nothing MTL will offer that entices the jets.
Matt Martin: 18 5v5 points
Kirby Dach: 18 5v5 points
And Matt Martin didn't even get favourable zone starts.
I don't know where you read that I said martin was better or even good.
The point is Matt Martin SUCKS. And Dach can't outproduce him 5v5.
The point is Ryan Reaves SUCKS. And dach still gets less points/60 minutes than him 5v5.
Dude, you had my attention when i took you serious
Matt Martin ended that
As of right now you're that guy i block and forget
You're now one of 13 people who think 1+1=11 that i had to just write off.
I can debate with anyone , who isnt a Manipulative sack of turds lol
the question is : how many team want Dubois. from there comeback with any offer on the table to compare. So far there is nothing other than our offer.
And where did you get this information? Chevy isn’t that open. Jets fans don’t even know any offers lol. Did you ever hear him answer a question. It’s worse than a politician. Says a lot but answers nothing.
Dude, you had my attention when i took you serious
Matt Martin ended that
As of right now you're that guy i block and forget
You're now one of 13 people who think 1+1=11 that i had to just write off.
I can debate with anyone , who isnt a Manipulative sack of turds lol
Say goodbye
Blame dach for failing to reach 20 5v5 points not me
Really? I had no idea a rebuilding team would have a good prospect pool! Thanks for the enlightenment.
My point is that the jets have Lambert, Lucius, mcgroarty, and rashevsky who project to be top 6 players. And chibrikov who has top 6 potential. What will MTL offer the jets that makes their pool better? Kidney is chibrikov level. Beck and Roy are at the same level as mcgroarty and rashevsky, but not lambert and Lucius. And that’s all ignoring the fact that the jets do not have enough space in their top 6 for all those guys long term.
As I said, if you have a projected top 4 rd prospect, we can talk prospects. Otherwise, there’s nothing MTL will offer that entices the jets.
hahahahahahahaha
I mean Lamberts playing behind our 5th round pick FFS hahahahahaha
I mean Granted Davidsons WAYYYYYYY Overachieved , but thats not the point
And where did you get this information? Chevy isn’t that open. Jets fans don’t even know any offers lol. Did you ever hear him answer a question. It’s worse than a politician. Says a lot but answers nothing.
Birtle wasn't talking about an offersheet at all, fuggedaboutit, its not that important.. lol
"If matched, the player remains with his team under the terms of the offer sheet he signed and he would not be eligible to be traded for one year."
Literally right under the Highlighted Pink Question about it . . . .
Literally RIGHT THERE in plain english.
Not hidden or Buried but Obvious as the day is long
Maybe "Ctrl F" for now on so you can search key words since ready the 3 paragraphs in a highlighted section is to much
the kid was coming back from injury too but you are taking a bite at pressured ... he's able to handle it, but was he at that time the right one to be a 1st center at 18?
Literally the only ****ing situation i brought up SMH
After searching for 10 mins, here is the og comment. @birtle34 said nothing about offer sheets. You’re the one out of pocket. What he’s saying is completely fine by the CBA. ✌️
Again Birtle and I weren't talking about an offersheet but its fine, I already knew that about offersheets.
You tagged me , not visca versa
You Joined My Conversation
What you and whomever were talking about?
I dont care hence me not tagging you in or commenting on it at all .
You came into my comment about OS and then started talking about something random.
You want to have a debate about whatever , im 100% cool with it
But drag me in then hijack my conversation ?
No , Period
I mean Lamberts playing behind our 5th round pick FFS hahahahahaha
I mean Granted Davidsons WAYYYYYYY Overachieved , but thats not the point
Behind? Lambert has been that teams top line c since he got there lol. His line with Schaefer and guenther is the biggest reason seattle is where they are (though you could argue milic has been fire). So devoid of facts lol. The overages Davidson has been good, but lambert has been great.
You tagged me , not visca versa
You Joined My Conversation
What you and whomever were talking about?
I dont care hence me not tagging you in or commenting on it at all .
You came into my comment about OS and then started talking about something random.
You want to have a debate about whatever , im 100% cool with it
But drag me in then hijack my conversation ?
No , Period
Its just a simple misunderstanding, its all good 👍
You tagged me , not visca versa
You Joined My Conversation
What you and whomever were talking about?
I dont care hence me not tagging you in or commenting on it at all .
You came into my comment about OS and then started talking about something random.
You want to have a debate about whatever , im 100% cool with it
But drag me in then hijack my conversation ?
No , Period
No, you quoted @birtle34 ‘s post not talking about offer sheets.
the kid was coming back from injury too but you are taking a bite at pressured ... he's able to handle it, but was he at that time the right one to be a 1st center at 18?
He played 14 minutes a game at 18. He was put on the top line in his age 21 season, was underwhelming, so they moved him
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