For all who need to hear this, MTL and Winnipeg fans alike.
MTL fans:
1. your leverage is only if Dubois is ONLY willing to sign long term in MTL. There is no single statement anywhere that suggests this is the case. Dubois has called much of the rumours “fake news” when asked about them. And his agent said what he said in a speculative manner when asked directly about mtl. MTL has no leverage if he is willing to sign elsewhere.
Now, I’m going to assume that he’s only willing to sign in MTL for the sake of argument.
MTL Fans: Your leverage starts once you beat the other 30 teams in the league. Regardless of if he’s willing to sign long term or not, teams will be willing to pay a rental price for dubois. That means a 1st, decent roster player, and a high end prospect. And you, as MTL, have to beat that offer for the jets to consider your offer. Your leverage in this case comes in beyond that. If Dubois is only going to sign in MTL, you only have to pay a rental price for him, not a long term dubois you would be getting.
WPG Fans: Unless you are adding something significant in addition, MTL isn’t moving 5 oa, just stop, it’s embarrassing. If Dubois was coming with a long term extension and he was also willing to sign elsewhere, you may have a case for 5 oa. But even then, I think MTL moves on for the price and keeps what they have.
My thoughts: MTL definitely has leverage, but not nearly as much as their fans think. With the above being true (and it unarguably is), I think Dubois has a short list of teams he’s willing to sign an extension with. MTL is definitely on that list. But I also think a team like LA or NYR might be as well. It will be a small list because I think Dubois wants to be in a big market and also wants to go to a winning team, but the list is there. So yes, you have some leverage being one of the only teams he’s willing to sign long term with, but you aren’t the only one in my opinion. Is Dach reasonable? I think it depends on what MTL thinks of him and Dubois. If they think Dach will never get to the point dubois is already at (which is my opinion), I think they would be open to including him in a deal. Otherwise, I think the jets need to look at a different guy like Barron. This is what I think happens. Just my opinion based on the above. (Similar to the Trouba trade)
That said your statement suggests Debrincat ,Hagel and Mccabe were not all moved with Dach for the new GM to build his team.
That was the Explanation he gave after all but F me right for paying attention and not just making **** up on the fly like you have lol
Damn, montreal really got by far the worst of those 3 forwards
Habs are not trading Dach. Dvorak and Kidney are those who are going to be offered and the first will be Florida pick or habs 2024 with a huge amount of protection. Others team knowing that he is a pure rental won't commit to pay a decent roster player for him therefore Habs leverage is the biggest obstacle for Winnipeg GM.
Sure, if you don’t want to trade dach, it makes sense. It might be a non starter. That said, Dvorak and Kidney easily get beat by other teams offering as a rental. Your “leverage” doesn’t kick in.
The same can be said for Montreal, and yet Dubois will play somewhere
Yes we do
We got 20m to sign basically Caufield
We got 11 Forward , 8 Defense and 2 Goalies
Gurianov and Pezzetta need deals
But if we sign Gurianov it will be like Pitlicks deal where we let his rights expire then offer him 1/2 is QO with 1-2 years term
Pezz at best get 950k
Caufield is doing a bridge deal IMO but lets give him 10m for argument sake
That's 12.5m spent and 7.5m left
Hoffman and Pitlick will be gone by the TDL so another 5.5m gone there or atleast half if we RS
Another 3.5m or half of it if we find a suitor for Edmundston
The cap just keeps shedding off and we keep not signing anyone to big dumb deals
Damn, montreal really got by far the worst of those 3 forwards
Not the point
You made a ridiculous Manipulative suggestion that the GM didnt want Dach there as if he was a solo issue that had to be Purged.
Thats just Weak Character i was pointing out as i proved it to be a lie
Your response instead of owning up to it and saying you got carried away or exaggerated was instead to take another cheap shot.
Good job
July 1st:
Any Team OS's PLD and WPG Matches
End of their return ability with PLD as CBA states he cant be traded for 365 days or July 1st 2024 at which point he'll be a UFA after his 7th seasons.
Our Leverage is our ability to screw you, plain and simple.
You Match , We Win
You Dont Match, We Win
Sure OS him. We’ll take the top 10 (most likely top 5) pick in 2024. MTL isn’t making the playoffs even with him 😂
Not the point
You made a ridiculous Manipulative suggestion that the GM didnt want Dach there as if he was a solo issue that had to be Purged.
Thats just Weak Character i was pointing out as i proved it to be a lie
Your response instead of owning up to it and saying you got carried away or exaggerated was instead to take another cheap shot.
Good job
You claimed Dach was good bc montreal's front office wanted him. If Dach was good enough he'd have been kept with the new regime.
IF thats all it takes MTL would trade it
Issue is your GMs trying to play hardball up to the wire.
Its more likely you end up with the FLA pick this year and a top 3 protected pick next year
But WPG is trying to get a NHL ready player to replace Dubois now is the issue
Only player that makes sense to move today is Gurianov
Outside that its all players WPG dont want outside the ones MTL wont trade.
But come Draft day i think you'll see Chevy jump all over that FLA pick and a top 3 protected pick next year.
Or he's risks OS like Bergavin did and might lose that battle leading to his dismissal just a few months later.
If that’s an offer, I think chevy would take it. But MTL fans would tear you apart.
As I’ve said, I don’t think dach is going to be anything beyond a decent 2c or top 6 winger so I don’t think you trade a potential top 5 pick for him. But just my opinion.
You don't trade 21 year olds with control if you think they're special
ask to the GM, He wanted a player fitting the team window and wasn't on the play Dach at center ... Dach is gone, Kane is gone and Toews too, could it be something about chemistry in the room??!! We don't know, but as far as we have see of that kid, we won't move him.
ask to the GM, He wanted a player fitting the team window and wasn't on the play Dach at center ... Dach is gone, Kane is gone and Toews too, could it be something about chemistry in the room??!! We don't know, but as far as we have see of that kid, we won't move him.
Dach was 21 at time of trade how did he not fit the Blackhawks window?
Personally I'd want a player to have more 5v5 points than Matt martin and more 5v5 points/60 than ryan reaves before I consider him untouchable. That's just me tho
No it doesn’t, it prevents teams from putting conditional picks on a player signing.
Literal NHL .com source but sure . . . You're apparently in a position to know more then The NHL
Its not like they make the rules or anything . . . .
I'll let Capfriendly know the foundation on which they structure things according to the NHL wasnt approved by you lol
nhl.com/news/nhl-contract-offer-sheet-questions-answers/c-308047180
Dach was 21 at time of trade how did he not fit the Blackhawks window?
Personally I'd want a player to have more 5v5 points than Matt martin and more 5v5 points/60 than ryan reaves before I consider him untouchable. That's just me tho
at the actual pace they are going for a 8 years rebuild. Also that stats you paint all around is not relevant to habs window nor Chicago rebuild no?
It’s more about getting a now option in the top 6. I don’t think he’s going to be much. Probably a 60 pt 2c at best. The jets don’t want to rebuild though, on paper the team is too good to do that. Hence taking the downgrade. Even if the jets get him, I do think dach gets surpassed in the top 6 by Lucius and lambert in the next 3 years and then we move him. He’s not as valuable to us as you think. But MTL’s prospects aren’t much better. The jets don’t need more forward prospects since we already have a bunch of high end ones that either project to be top 6 forwards or have that upside. And MTL fans aren’t even willing to move the extremely sheltered Barron for dubois so there’s no deal to be had in that case.
It’s more about getting a now option in the top 6. I don’t think he’s going to be much. Probably a 60 pt 2c at best. The jets don’t want to rebuild though, on paper the team is too good to do that. Hence taking the downgrade. Even if the jets get him, I do think dach gets surpassed in the top 6 by Lucius and lambert in the next 3 years and then we move him. He’s not as valuable to us as you think. But MTL’s prospects aren’t much better. The jets don’t need more forward prospects since we already have a bunch of high end ones that either project to be top 6 forwards or have that upside. And MTL fans aren’t even willing to move the extremely sheltered Barron for dubois so there’s no deal to be had in that case.
heu wait WHAT!! habs are litteraly top5 in the league for prospect quality and are mentionned to be the deepest pool of prospect this last season. We might not be your cool, but geez!!
Dach was 21 at time of trade how did he not fit the Blackhawks window?
Personally I'd want a player to have more 5v5 points than Matt martin and more 5v5 points/60 than ryan reaves before I consider him untouchable. That's just me tho
SMH i love how this is what defines your argument now SMH
Let me guess if i fact check this one your statement will be wrong here too ?
Hahahahaha just got back
Literally 5 power play points in his career and never hit 20 pts ever
You'd rather a less then 20 point 33 year old over Dach?
Dude .... wow you're salty as my jock after a game.
To do that kind of Mental Olympics to abuse a 22 old player . . . What a Hero hahahaha
NHL Trades 101
Its been long sense deemed as Dealing In Bad Faith
Its what all WPG fans want to do
NHL wont allow it
https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-contract-offer-sheet-questions-answers/c-308047180
NHL won't allow the Jets to sign Dubois to a one year deal then retain and trade him?
Dubois doesn't want to stay, doubt he'd care and don't see how an offersheet has anything to do with this.
Literal NHL .com source but sure . . . You're apparently in a position to know more then The NHL
Its not like they make the rules or anything . . . .
I'll let Capfriendly know the foundation on which they structure things according to the NHL wasnt approved by you lol
nhl.com/news/nhl-contract-offer-sheet-questions-answers/c-308047180
Offer sheet is a different situation. The user was saying we sign dubois and move him, not match an offer sheet. You can’t trade players after matching an OS for 1 year. That I agree with.
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. MTL have to find a middle ground if they want him.
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