One of the ways to know if a trade you’ve made is fair is how comfortable you feel making it. I don’t feel super comfortable with this Marner/Brodin trade, which is a sign that it’s likely quite fair.
Regardless of how you feel, or how I feel about him, Marner has tremendous value. His PPG the past 2 regular seasons = over 100 points per 82 game season. He’s a Selke nom this year, as a winger, which is not an easy task. He led the Leafs in points in the playoffs this season, including being T-2nd in the first round in points. He is one of the best few wingers in the NHL, and greatly upgrades Minnesota’s offense. He could also shine in a market that, while it loves it’s hockey, will not have the same pressure that Toronto has.
In 2022-23, Brodin had the highest defensive rating according to Dom L’s model, ahead of even Jaccob Slavin. That makes him a top pair/top matchup pair D, and at $6Mx5, he’s signed to a very reasonable deal that should age fine as it ends when he’s 34. I’m of the belief that Brodie played hurt in the playoffs, as he wasn’t comfortable regardless of his partner. Even if I’m wrong, Brodin plays the Brodie role and elevates his partner, and could absolutely carry Brodie on a top matchup pairing for the foreseeable future.
Rossi is a depreciated asset. His covid struggles are well-documented, and it cost him a year of his development. He has failed in Minne because he’s been put in positions to fail, aka asked to do things he was not yet ready to do. As we all saw in Buffalo with TAGE, everyone develops on their own time, let alone with what Marco has had to come back from. He gives off modern-day Gilmour vibes, and while he’ll never put up 127 points and likely will never be an MVP candidate, he is a true top-6 C in the making, and in Toronto’s current situation, they need one of those in the system.
Foligno is a great defensive winger who for a few reasons lost his scoring touch this year. He has to be in the trade to make the numbers work, though he absolutely has value. His line was the top defensive line in the NHL in 2021-22, and he was a driver of it. Beyond his bottom-6 value, he’s a UFA in a year. It also plays off my new rule, "Every other Foligno that Toronto acquires does well here". Between trading Marner and having Foligno’s cap hit leave after a year, you open up enough cap space to be able to re-sign both Matthews and Nylander, even if cap hell freezes over again.
It's a shiny trade for Minne, and a trade that takes some of the fancy out of the Leafs’ lineup, which frankly, if done correctly (as I believe this does), is what they need to keep progressing in the playoffs.
Even in a walk year, Lindholm for a 1st, let alone a late 1st as has been talked about, is simply not enough value.
Unless you don’t watch the playoffs, you should know we struggle to score in tight playoff games. The D could be better - don’t get me wrong - but trading away an elite playmaker in his prime for a (admittedly very good) defensive dman does not make any sense to me
Besides Minn cap situation, they aren't trading a stud, one of the best dman under long term contract in nhl for expensive winger. Minnesota declines, and so does brodin
Idk all the gm’s said that the player most capable of stopping McDavid 1 on 1 is brodin….. I’d say that’s worth something
It’s not worth a 26 year old forward that has averaged over 100 points per 82 and is a Selke finalist. Did I mention Marner was 1st team all-star the last 2 years beting out the like of Kucherov, Pasternak and Rantanen? Not to mention he is 33rd all-time for career PPG.
Oh Marner is awesome. Love him. But unfortunately he is one piece in a bad trade proposal for the Wild. Wild get worse in this trade
Marner is a 26 year old 99 point Selke nominee. He was 1st team all-star beating out Kucherov, Pasternak and Rantanen the last 2 years. He led the NHL in takeaways. He’s 33rd all-time in PPG career.
The Wild jump at the chance to acquire Marner for that mediocre package.
Marner is a 26 year old 99 point Selke nominee. He was 1st team all-star beating out Kucherov, Pasternak and Rantanen the last 2 years. He led the NHL in takeaways. He’s 33rd all-time in PPG career.
The Wild jump at the chance to acquire Marner for that mediocre package.
How about we do this. You keep Marner, your no name LW and 39 year old defensman
We keep one of the top skating and shutdown DMan in the league, our energizer bullnose forward, one of our top prospects and our 2nd
And we both go our seperate ways and never meet again? Fair?
It’s not worth a 26 year old forward that has averaged over 100 points per 82 and is a Selke finalist. Did I mention Marner was 1st team all-star the last 2 years beting out the like of Kucherov, Pasternak and Rantanen? Not to mention he is 33rd all-time for career PPG.
Not saying marner holds no value - just saying brodin is regarded as one of if not the best pure shut down defender and he holds tons of value. You make it sound like he has none to justify the trade. Seems like you’re trying to talk yourself into marner holding that much value.
Not saying marner holds no value - just saying brodin is regarded as one of if not the best pure shut down defender and he holds tons of value. You make it sound like he has none to justify the trade. Seems like you’re trying to talk yourself into marner holding that much value.
He holds value but compare Marner to Kaprisov. Then ask who holds more value, Kaprisov or Brodin.
In this dialogue you keep making apples to oranges comparisons and trying to say they are apples to apples.
26 year old first team all-star RW that averages over 100 points per 82 games and is considered one of the TOP 3 defensive forwards in the league, led the league in takeaways and is 33rd ALL-TIME in career PPG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brodin. How do you like them apples?
26 year old first team all-star RW that averages over 100 points per 82 games and is considered one of the TOP 3 defensive forwards in the league, led the league in takeaways and is 33rd ALL-TIME in career PPG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brodin. How do you like them apples?
Now you just sound like a butt hurt Leafs fan.
The difference between them isn't as large as you want to make it out to be, it's a vast overpay for a player that Minnesota frankly doesn’t need given that we have Kaprizov already. Frankly I wouldn't move Brodin 1v1 for Marner, regardless of skillset and talent involved.
But for the record, I wouldn't move Brodin for Kaprizov either. And I sure as hell don't think Kaprizov carries this much value either, but Leafs fans gonna Leaf I guess.
The difference between them isn't as large as you want to make it out to be, it's a vast overpay for a player that Minnesota frankly doesn’t need given that we have Kaprizov already. Frankly I wouldn't move Brodin 1v1 for Marner, regardless of skillset and talent involved.
But for the record, I wouldn't move Brodin for Kaprizov either. And I sure as hell don't think Kaprizov carries this much value either, but Leafs fans gonna Leaf I guess.
Mitch Marner:
Market Value - $13.3M
GSVA - 4.4
Kirill Kaprizov:
Market Value- $13.8M
GSVA - 4.6
Jonas Brodin:
Market Value - $10.3M
GSVA - 3.0
Listen there is no deal in fantasy land or especially in the real world where the Leafs trade Marner for Brodin and spare parts. It doesn’t exist. So have a nice day — Marner is one of the best players in the world. And if you want to talk about playoffs, he had 14 points in 11 games and is near a ppg in 50 career games. How’s Kaprisov? How was he in the 2nd round?
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