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Created by: RedWing9119
Team: 2023-24 Detroit Red Wings
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 11, 2023
Published: Jun. 20, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
In his press conference, Yzerman mentioned trying to fill their deficiencies in the UFA market and he also mentioned teams without second round picks wanting to acquire them. All trade values are based on Dom Luszczyszyn's GSVA model (which is available at the Athletic) and recent trade comparables.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$1,125,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$2,000,000
3$3,000,000
5$7,250,000
Trades
1.
DET
  1. Granlund, Mikael
  2. Petry, Jeff
  3. 2023 1st round pick (PIT)
  4. 2023 3rd round pick (NJD)
Additional Details:
11.25 million in cap relief in years one and two. 22.5 million in total.
PIT
  1. 2023 2nd round pick (STL)
Additional Details:
Value of climbing from 42 to 14 plus the 90 is the 22nd pick.
2.
DET
  1. Murray, Matt
  2. 2023 1st round pick (BOS)
Additional Details:
The difference in value between the two 3rds (73 and 90) and the Boston 1st is the 48th pick. This value is consistent with plenty of recent comparables. Also Murray's real salary owed is over 6 million.
TOR
  1. 2023 3rd round pick (NJD)
  2. 2023 3rd round pick (DET)
3.
DET
  1. 2023 1st round pick (VAN)
  2. 2023 3rd round pick (VAN)
VAN
  1. 2023 1st round pick (NYI)
  2. 2023 2nd round pick (VAN)
Additional Details:
GSVA value is almost identical(6.5 vs 6.4). This is the exact kind of trade Yzerman mentioned in his press conference.
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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Logo of the BOS
Logo of the VAN
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Logo of the VAN
Logo of the MIN
Logo of the DET
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2024
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Logo of the BOS
Logo of the DET
Logo of the DET
Logo of the DET
Logo of the DAL
Logo of the DET
Logo of the DET
Logo of the DET
2025
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Logo of the DET
Logo of the DET
Logo of the BOS
Logo of the DET
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Logo of the DET
Logo of the STL
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
21$83,500,000$77,647,639$0$5,200,000$5,852,361
Left WingCentreRight Wing
$7,250,000$7,250,000
RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$8,700,000$8,700,000
C
NTC
UFA - 8
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
RW, LW
RFA - 1
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$1,460,000$1,460,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$5,625,000$5,625,000
C, LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$4,750,000$4,750,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$2,500,000$2,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$918,333$918,333 (Performance Bonus$1,000,000$1M)
C
RFA - 3
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$925,000$925,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$5,000,000$5,000,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$1,125,000$1,125,000
C
RFA - 1
$2,000,000$2,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$3,400,000$3,400,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RD
RFA - 1
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$4,750,000$4,750,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$3,000,000$3,000,000
LD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$2,343,750$2,343,750
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$4,687,500$4,687,500
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$4,750,000$4,750,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
$3,000,000$3,000,000
RD
UFA - 3
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$1,100,000$1,100,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$4,000,000$4,000,000
LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LD
RFA - 3

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Jun. 20, 2023 at 6:44 p.m.
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Sure!
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Jun. 20, 2023 at 6:49 p.m.
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Sure!


We'd even take Carter too if he would waive
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Jun. 20, 2023 at 6:51 p.m.
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We'd even take Carter too if he would waive


He wouldn't fit under the cap but I get what you're saying, lol.
Jun. 20, 2023 at 6:52 p.m.
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Quoting: RedWing9119
He wouldn't fit under the cap but I get what you're saying, lol.


Throw Fabs on LTIR and definitely not signing Tarasenko according to Yzerman today.
Jun. 20, 2023 at 6:55 p.m.
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GSVA is an awful metric don’t be fooled
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Jun. 20, 2023 at 6:57 p.m.
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Quoting: mmccRed198913
Throw Fabs on LTIR and definitely not signing Tarasenko according to Yzerman today.


He mentioned addressing our needs in free agency. There's no better scorers in this class than tank. We don't need the cap space and we need the scoring. Age isn't a factor because we re not trading assets for him.
Jun. 20, 2023 at 6:58 p.m.
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I would love this.
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Jun. 20, 2023 at 6:59 p.m.
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So much nonsensical money on the books.
Jun. 20, 2023 at 6:59 p.m.
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GSVA is an awful metric don’t be fooled


Fooled by what? A model that assigns value to draft picks? Pick any model you want they all say similar things. I used to use Eric Tlusky's model but he took it down. Either way these trade are fair based on comparable trades.
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Jun. 20, 2023 at 7:03 p.m.
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I don't think thats enough for Vancouver to move back 6 spots in a deep draft. maybe take out the 3rd and we'd do it.
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Jun. 20, 2023 at 7:03 p.m.
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Quoting: PuzzledActuary
So much nonsensical money on the books.


Not sure what you mean by nonsensical but yeah Granlund and Petry aren't great but it's 2 years when we're not making the playoffs anyway. In fact most of the UFA signings will be gone before we compete as well.
Jun. 20, 2023 at 7:04 p.m.
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I don't think thats enough for Vancouver to move back 6 spots in a deep draft. maybe take out the 3rd and we'd do it.


Maybe switch the 3rd to your later one?
Jun. 20, 2023 at 7:18 p.m.
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Quoting: RedWing9119
Not sure what you mean by nonsensical but yeah Granlund and Petry aren't great but it's 2 years when we're not making the playoffs anyway. In fact most of the UFA signings will be gone before we compete as well.


Yeah sure but you only have $1.2M in cap space and there's no flexibility at all to make any moves, should an opportunity arise.

Tarasenko for 5 years? Maybe 5 years ago, sure.
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Jun. 20, 2023 at 7:22 p.m.
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Honestly, I don't like the Pens deal.
I detest the idea of using the 14th overall pick on cap dumping a player(s). I think we would get a lot more value out of trading it for an impact player or just picking someone ourselves.
Granlund's buyout is really easy to deal with and I think the only reason it hasn't happened yet is Dubas wants to see if he can unload Granny for a more reasonable cost than this.
The list of available options to replace Petry at 2nd pairing RD is insanely slim. Dumba, Mayfield, maybe Klingberg are the only players that caliber. I'd rather just keep Petry over the hope that we'll win the bidding war for one of them.
Jun. 20, 2023 at 7:23 p.m.
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Quoting: PuzzledActuary
Yeah sure but you only have $1.2M in cap space and there's no flexibility at all to make any moves, should an opportunity arise.

Tarasenko for 5 years? Maybe 5 years ago, sure.


What moves? Were not making the playoffs. Besides someone will be injured 3 games into the season anyway. Next year there's plenty of cap.
Jun. 20, 2023 at 7:25 p.m.
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Honestly, I don't like the Pens deal.
I detest the idea of using the 14th overall pick on cap dumping a player(s). I think we would get a lot more value out of trading it for an impact player or just picking someone ourselves.
Granlund's buyout is really easy to deal with and I think the only reason it hasn't happened yet is Dubas wants to see if he can unload Granny for a more reasonable cost than this.
The list of available options to replace Petry at 2nd pairing RD is insanely slim. Dumba, Mayfield, maybe Klingberg are the only players that caliber. I'd rather just keep Petry over the hope that we'll win the bidding war for one of them.


I respect what you're saying but to be fair you do have a guy running things who makes trades just like this.
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Jun. 20, 2023 at 7:33 p.m.
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Other than Tarasenko;

I'd love this.
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Jun. 20, 2023 at 7:42 p.m.
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Quoting: RedWing9119
I respect what you're saying but to be fair you do have a guy running things who makes trades just like this.


Dubas looooves his late picks
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Jun. 20, 2023 at 7:43 p.m.
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leafs flat out decline. they traded mrazek, who had 2 years left on the deal. only making about 400k less and only moved down 15 spots. this makes no logical sense to trade the first with murray and only get two thirds... they are going to buy him out. it only puts 640k in cap on them
Jun. 20, 2023 at 7:55 p.m.
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leafs flat out decline. they traded mrazek, who had 2 years left on the deal. only making about 400k less and only moved down 15 spots. this makes no logical sense to trade the first with murray and only get two thirds... they are going to buy him out. it only puts 640k in cap on them


That's definitely an option but it's worse next year just when the Matthews extension kicks in. What's that gonna cost 15 million? I'm guessing you're going to need every penny in 2024 even if the cap goes up.
Jun. 20, 2023 at 7:57 p.m.
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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER
Other than Tarasenko;

I'd love this.

I didn’t even look at the free agent signings. I concur.
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Jun. 20, 2023 at 7:58 p.m.
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Quoting: RedWing9119
That's definitely an option but it's worse next year just when the Matthews extension kicks in. What's that gonna cost 15 million? I'm guessing you're going to need every penny in 2024 even if the cap goes up.


cap will probably being going up 3-5 million next year
matthews is rumored to only be getting 13 million
Jun. 20, 2023 at 8:01 p.m.
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cap will probably being going up 3-5 million next year
matthews is rumored to only be getting 13 million


Not the rumors I've heard. Either way cap will be at a premium.
Jun. 20, 2023 at 8:04 p.m.
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Not the rumors I've heard. Either way cap will be at a premium.


Bettman stated that the cap will be going up by 1M lol what are these guys talking about
Jun. 20, 2023 at 9:10 p.m.
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Quoting: RedWing9119
I respect what you're saying but to be fair you do have a guy running things who makes trades just like this.


Dubas has been in a position to need to make those types of moves pretty often. The cap space taken up by Toronto's core 4 means that the margins for their cap are thinner than most teams. Putting a good, cap compliant team around them requires risks and sacrifices.

The Pens don't really have that problem. They have around $20M in cap space right now. They have some big holes to fill, but Dubas has a lot more flexibility in how they get filled than he usually does.
I don't really think this type of move is necessary. It doesn't mean Dubas won't, but IMO it makes it much less likely that he will.
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