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Created by: Azura0055

Team: 2023-24 Winnipeg Jets

Initial Creation Date: Jun. 25, 2023

Published: Jun. 25, 2023

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

Montreal finally realizes that a bag of pucks for a player they want ‘why pay anything, he’s free in 12 month’ isn’t going to cut it. They outbid LA.
Helly gives the Sabres the piece to get them into the playoffs. Levi becomes depth until he takes over from the master.

Schiefele goes to Boston for a goalie and cap relief.

26 gets to pick his team. Thank you for the memories on the ice, and contributions to the community off it.

Pionk fills the second pair top 4 D whole on Detroit for a reasonable cost.

Jets bring in size and veteran presence from the UFA market. ROR is a leader, a potential overpay for a mid-30s player, but the Jets need to fill in two C holes. Gudas is what Stanley will never be.

Raanta gives the Jets a 1A/1B to replace Helly.

Free Agent Signings

RESERVE LIST		YEARS	CAP HIT
DiVincentiis, Domenic		3	$950,000

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Barron, Morgan	2	$1,400,000
Chisholm, Declan	2	$900,000
Stenlund, Kevin	1	$950,000
Samberg, Dylan	2	$1,500,000
Holm, Arvid	2	$825,000

UFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Gudas, Radko	3	$3,300,000
Raanta, Antti	2	$3,300,000
O'Reilly, Ryan	3	$5,000,000

Trades

WPG

Dach, Kirby
Roy, Joshua
2023 1st round pick (FLA)

MTL

Dubois, Pierre-Luc [RFA Rights]

Additional Details:

Signs at 8.5 x 8 before the trade

WPG

Mittelstadt, Casey
Savoie, Matthew
2024 1st round pick (BUF)

BUF

Hellebuyck, Connor

Additional Details:

Signs a 7.5x7 extension before the trade

WPG

Sebrango, Donovan
2023 2nd round pick (VAN)
2024 2nd round pick (DET)

DET

Pionk, Neal

WPG

BOS

Scheifele, Mark

WPG

2023 5th round pick (FLA)
2025 4th round pick (CGY)

FLA

Stanley, Logan [RFA Rights]

Buyouts

Blake Wheeler: $2,750,000

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2023
2024
2025

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$83,500,000	$78,126,191	$0	$907,500	$5,373,809

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Connor, Kyle $7,142,857$7,142,857 LW UFA - 3	Dach, Kirby $3,362,500$3,362,500 C, RW RFA - 3	Niederreiter, Nino $4,000,000$4,000,000 LW, RW UFA - 1
Perfetti, Cole $894,167$894,167 ($850,000$850K) LW, C RFA - 1	O'Reilly, Ryan $5,000,000$5,000,000 C UFA - 4	Ehlers, Nikolaj $6,000,000$6,000,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 2
DeBrusk, Jake $4,000,000$4,000,000 RW, LW UFA - 1	Lowry, Adam $3,250,000$3,250,000 C M-NTC UFA - 3	Appleton, Mason $2,166,667$2,166,667 RW UFA - 2
Barron, Morgan $1,400,000$1,400,000 LW, RW RFA - 2	Mittelstadt, Casey $2,500,000$2,500,000 LW, C RFA - 1	Roy, Joshua $835,000$835,000 ($57,500$58K) LW, RW RFA - 3

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Morrissey, Joshua $6,250,000$6,250,000 LD NMC UFA - 5	DeMelo, Dylan $3,000,000$3,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 1	Ullmark, Linus $5,000,000$5,000,000 G M-NTC UFA - 2
Dillon, Brenden $3,900,000$3,900,000 LD UFA - 1	Gudas, Radko $3,300,000$3,300,000 RD UFA - 3	Raanta, Antti $3,300,000$3,300,000 G UFA - 1
Samberg, Dylan $1,500,000$1,500,000 LD RFA - 2	Schmidt, Nate $5,950,000$5,950,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 2

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Chisholm, Declan $900,000$900,000 LD/RD RFA - 1
Stenlund, Kevin $950,000$950,000 C, RW UFA - 1
Gustafsson, David $775,000$775,000 LW, C RFA - 1

Jun. 25, 2023 at 11:59 a.m.

#26

Azura0055

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Quoting: Koskinen_The_Great

The funniest part is that Dach probably has better hands.

The ability to stick handle alone on the ice is entertaining, but completely irrelevant in the playoffs.

90% of NHLers under 25 have great hands alone on the ice. How many pair it with size, strength, and decision making.

Jun. 25, 2023 at 12:02 p.m.

#27

VladislavTretiak

Habs 7th round 1983

Joined: Dec. 2019

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Quoting: Azura0055

On track… maybe…. And I do think PLD has a higher ceiling if he ever figures out his compete issues.

If you think a player has the potential to become what another player already is, that implies risk he won’t. Therefore, to compensate for that risk, you would need to add additional assets as compensation.

If you still have compte issues at age 25 this is not something you can fix

Jun. 25, 2023 at 12:03 p.m.

#28

Azura0055

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Quoting: Caufield

Never said PLD didn't have IQ, actually I even agree with you, he does have good IQ. But my argument is basically that PLDs drive is too low for his offense production to rise, so I rather wait another year or 2 and see Dach become better than PLD, and for probably a cheaper price tag as well.

It is possible that PLD never learns how to compete night in, night out. But somebody is going to pay him 7+M to see if he can.

Dach improved a TON this past year, great growth. Does he have a higher ceiling than PLD, only if you assume PLD won’t play the way he already has for short stretches.

Both players aren’t 90+ Pt C, they are two-way, 60-80pt 1B types. PLD at his floor is a 65+ pt 2C, Dach needs to continue to improve to get there. Will he, probably, but not a guaranteed outcome. He’ll be more expensive than PLD if he reaches his potential, because he’ll sign a 7 year deal with a 90M+ cap, so 8-10 million won’t be unreasonable in 2-3 years time.

Jun. 25, 2023 at 12:07 p.m.

#29

Caufield

Sennecke is a gem

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Quoting: Azura0055

Discussion ends here: PLD is going to LA 90% sure. Your gonna get Villardi+ for him

Jun. 25, 2023 at 12:07 p.m.

#30

Azura0055

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Quoting: Koskinen_The_Great

You're making too much sense. Now ignore the hard cap. Then ignore the fact that PLD wants out and the trade still is trolling.

‘Trolling’ this entire site is a troll under a bridge. The reply comments are almost never constructive or insightful. Only biased and negative.

PLD for Dach and a REALLY LATE 1st could work… that would be an interesting discussion. But to call anything in this site a troll, is quite obvious.

Jun. 25, 2023 at 12:08 p.m.

#31

Azura0055

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Quoting: VladislavTretiak

If you still have compte issues at age 25 this is not something you can fix

That is the risk…. But if he shows up for 20 games in the playoffs… he’s the type of player to help lift trophies.

Jun. 25, 2023 at 12:09 p.m.

#32

Azura0055

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Quoting: Caufield

Discussion ends here: PLD is going to LA 90% sure. Your gonna get Villardi+ for him

I didn’t realize ‘I’ was getting anything… I technically can’t get anything in return for PLD, he doesn’t work for me….but I’ll take Vilardi for my beer league team, I could use some skill to play with!

Jun. 25, 2023 at 12:11 p.m.

#33

VladislavTretiak

Habs 7th round 1983

Joined: Dec. 2019

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Quoting: Azura0055

That is the risk…. But if he shows up for 20 games in the playoffs… he’s the type of player to help lift trophies.

Drouin 2.0

Jun. 25, 2023 at 12:18 p.m.

#34

Andy_Dick

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Quoting: Azura0055

‘Trolling’ this entire site is a troll under a bridge. The reply comments are almost never constructive or insightful. Only biased and negative.

PLD for Dach and a REALLY LATE 1st could work… that would be an interesting discussion. But to call anything in this site a troll, is quite obvious.

I wont disagree with you there. You need to take this place with a grain of salt. But you clearly have an axe to grind with Habs fans like many do here along with Leafs fans that are also easy targets with a big fan base

The risk is all with Mtl here. PLD is gone so getting anything close to top10 value is a win on Winnipeg when he needs to be paid in his prime and the Jets have lost almost all team control with a year remaining much like the Flames with their assets. The Dach team control over the next 4 years at least is worth a ton more. The 1st is going the wrong way

Jun. 25, 2023 at 12:27 p.m.

#35

AmeriCanadian

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Quoting: Azura0055

Why?

Pionk is worth 1 second. Not 2 plus a likely bottom pair d man

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Jun. 25, 2023 at 1:02 p.m.

#36

Azura0055

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Quoting: AmeriCanadian

Pionk is worth 1 second. Not 2 plus a likely bottom pair d man

Based on which comparable trade?

Jun. 25, 2023 at 2:46 p.m.

#37

AmeriCanadian

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Quoting: Azura0055

Based on which comparable trade?

Durzi yesterday who is younger and on a cheaper contract to begin with. Pionk after last year doesn't have over double that value

Jun. 25, 2023 at 8:48 p.m.

#38

MoSeider53

Future Norris guy

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Too bad that PLD is going to LA, Basically a done deal. This crap of Montreal only was a major joke.

Zero chance in hell, That Connor Hellebuyck takes 7 x $7,500,000 in Buffalo when he wants 8 x $9,500,000 and Adams won't pay it.

And Detroit passes, You're not getting multiple 2nds for Neal Pionk.

And Boston can't afford Mark Scheifele even with moving Debrusk and Ullmark. And fat chance that Ullmark even waives for Winnipeg.

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