Defensemen Swap

Forums/Armchair-GM

Page 1 of 1

Created by: gaz

Team: 2023-24 Carolina Hurricanes

Initial Creation Date: Jul. 10, 2023

Published: Jul. 10, 2023

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

It looks like the Canes have gone in on the Karlsson sweepstakes with Deangelo being the plan B option if they lose out to the Pens on getting Karlsson. I think it's safe to say Pesce will get traded (likely to Nashville or Dallas) in a sign-and-trade where the Canes sign him to an 8yr deal then ship him out, as this is likely the hold up in a trade taking place right now, with the acquiring team and his agent negotiating a new deal. If the Canes do get Karlsson, it'll likely be with ~40% retention which is higher than SJS would probably like but this is their best chance to get out from that contract (not that he's a bad player, it's just more of a sell high on the asset). I think the Canes have more flexibility and more to offer than the Pens do as the Pens would need to dump salary in their return package where Carolina wouldn't so if the Canes truly want Karlsson, I'd think they're the clear front runner to land him. Also I don't think Tarasenko will be coming to NC, he's likely gone to OTT or DET.

Trades

CAR

Fabbro, Dante
2024 1st round pick (NSH)
2025 2nd round pick (NSH)

NSH

Pesce, Brett

Additional Details:

Pesce signs a 6.5 x 8 extension

CAR

Karlsson, Erik ($4,200,000 retained)

SJS

Fabbro, Dante
2024 1st round pick (CAR)
2024 1st round pick (NSH)
2025 2nd round pick (NSH)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2024
2025
2026

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

EMBED

TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
22	$83,500,000	$81,954,417	$450,000	$500,000	$1,545,583

Roster

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Svechnikov, Andrei $7,750,000$7,750,000 LW, RW UFA - 6	Aho, Sebastian $8,460,250$8,460,250 C UFA - 1	Jarvis, Seth $894,167$894,167 ($500,000$500K) RW RFA - 1
Bunting, Michael $4,500,000$4,500,000 LW M-NTC UFA - 3	Kotkaniemi, Jesperi $4,820,000$4,820,000 C UFA - 7	Necas, Martin $3,000,000$3,000,000 RW RFA - 1
Teräväinen, Teuvo $5,400,000$5,400,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 1	Staal, Jordan $2,900,000$2,900,000 C, LW NMC UFA - 4	Fast, Jesper $2,400,000$2,400,000 RW NTC UFA - 2
Martinook, Jordan $1,800,000$1,800,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Drury, Jack $925,000$925,000 C RFA - 1	Noesen, Stefan $762,500$762,500 LW, RW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Slavin, Jaccob $5,300,000$5,300,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 2	Karlsson, Erik $5,800,000$5,800,000 RD NMC UFA - 4	Andersen, Frederik $3,400,000$3,400,000 G M-NTC UFA - 2
Orlov, Dmitry $7,750,000$7,750,000 LD UFA - 2	Burns, Brent $5,280,000$5,280,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 2	Raanta, Antti $1,500,000$1,500,000 G UFA - 1
Skjei, Brady $5,250,000$5,250,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 1	Chatfield, Jalen $762,500$762,500 RD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Coghlan, Dylan $850,000$850,000 RD RFA - 1
Kochetkov, Pyotr $2,000,000$2,000,000 G UFA - 4

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Necas, M.		Aho, S.		Bunting, M.
	Karlsson, E.		Svechnikov, A.

Power Play 2
Jarvis, S.		Kotkaniemi, J.		Noesen, S.
	Burns, B.		Teräväinen, T.

Penalty Kill 1
	Staal, J.	Martinook, J.
	Slavin, J.	Chatfield, J.

Penalty Kill 2
	Drury, J.	Fast, J.
	Skjei, B.	Orlov, D.

Jul. 10, 2023 at 8:50 a.m.

sharcuda22

Joined: Apr. 2022

Posts: 1,855

Likes: 583

deal from the sharks end but idk about Nashville

Davioparker and gaz liked this.

Jul. 10, 2023 at 9:08 a.m.

GMBL

Joined: May 2022

Posts: 9,176

Likes: 3,554

I think if a 3-way happened here, NSH keeps their 1st (give up a 3rd maybe) but retain 1M on Karlsson or something like that.

AEcho, Davioparker, Goorts and 1 other person liked this.

Jul. 10, 2023 at 9:19 a.m.

AEcho

Joined: Feb. 2023

Posts: 1,163

Likes: 575

That is a bit high for NSH. I would say NSH either does what @GMBL has mentioned here already or would want the 1st round pick conditional on making playoffs and the 2nd drops to a 3rd.

Personally I'd rather not tie up the last retention spot NSH has on Karlsson for another 4 years, and would rather use it on something like moving Barrie at the deadline for a higher pick, but I wouldn't be opposed to either.

GMBL, Goorts, vikhodush and 1 other person liked this.

Jul. 10, 2023 at 9:52 a.m.

Goorts

Joined: May 2022

Posts: 155

Likes: 91

On the Nashville side, I like the idea of Pesce, but I do not like the idea of giving up the 1st. Maybe conditional on making the playoffs, but yeah... seems a bit steep of price.
Definitely do not like the idea of Nashville using their last retention spot either. My hope is that it gets used on Barrie at the trade deadline.

gaz liked this.

Jul. 10, 2023 at 11:38 a.m.

NotDougWilson

DougieWilsonNOT

Joined: Feb. 2022

Posts: 526

Likes: 154

Can't see Grier retaining more than 40% for EK65. Even so, there would have to be limited lottery protection (top-5/lottery protection rather than top 10-15).

Jul. 10, 2023 at 12:25 p.m.

gaz

Thread Starter

Joined: Jun. 2018

Posts: 344

Likes: 23

Quoting: NotDougWilson

Can't see Grier retaining more than 40% for EK65. Even so, there would have to be limited lottery protection (top-5/lottery protection rather than top 10-15).

4.2m is 36% of the contract. I think the upper limit would be 40% but likely they would only be retaining in the mid 30s.

Jul. 10, 2023 at 12:37 p.m.

NotDougWilson

DougieWilsonNOT

Joined: Feb. 2022

Posts: 526

Likes: 154

Quoting: gaz

4.2m is 36% of the contract. I think the upper limit would be 40% but likely they would only be retaining in the mid 30s.

Gotcha, read the description rather do the math myself.

gaz liked this.

Jul. 11, 2023 at 8:17 a.m.

gaz

Thread Starter

Joined: Jun. 2018

Posts: 344

Likes: 23

Quoting: NotDougWilson

Gotcha, read the description rather do the math myself.

All good haha we shall see how it plays out

Jul. 11, 2023 at 8:34 a.m.

InRodWeTrust

Joined: Jul. 2022

Posts: 1,553

Likes: 565

I don't think DeAngelo is "Plan B" for Karlsson. However, I do agree that a target of around $4M of retention between SJ and a 3rd team is spot on. That would make the money work. Now the exact pieces and parts for all of that can be debated, but EK at about $7.5M is where I think it should land.

Jul. 11, 2023 at 11:04 a.m.

#10

gaz

Thread Starter

Joined: Jun. 2018

Posts: 344

Likes: 23

Quoting: InRodWeTrust

I don't think the Deangelo trade happens unless a Karlsson trade falls through as they both serve the same role on a team and bringing in both makes the defensive core worse defensively cause Chatty's probably pushed down the DC, so that's why I look at it as a Plan B.

vikhodush liked this.

Jul. 11, 2023 at 11:50 a.m.

#11

InRodWeTrust

Joined: Jul. 2022

Posts: 1,553

Likes: 565

Quoting: gaz

Yeah I have to admit I'm really struggling with that one. I will sit patiently while we wait for "The Don" to finally iron all of this out. Waiting truly IS the hardest part.

gaz liked this.

Page 1 of 1

DISPLAY SETTING

BETTING ODDS

LOCALE

ARCHIVE

CBA

CALCULATORS

FANTASY HOCKEY TOOLS

TOOLS

PLAYERS

WESTERN CONFERENCE

EASTERN CONFERENCE

INTERACTIVE FEATURES

Forums/Armchair-GM

Defensemen Swap

Description

Trades

CAR

NSH

CAR

SJS

Roster

Special Teams

Embed Code

Text-Embed

Question:

Options: