Pretty sure Morrow is off the table. If the Sharks are dead set on a RD prospect, Canes have other options like Heimosalmi and Honka, among others

Nothing in for the Leafs.....losing two NHLers (and a first rounder) for one NHL. Murray is an easy buyout.

Leafs say no

this comment is a lil silly. Instead of Nylander walking you get a 7.25 3x Norris winner (something in it for the leafs. Murray Khak swap was to make cap work for the leafs, I'd rather have khak. Liligren over timmins + 1st for the crazy amount of retention.

Avs don't have the cap space and also will not be paying a 2nd for Barabonov.

Doesn't have to be morrow but id really hope in the scenario that the sharks really push and try to get Nikishkin or Morrow

this guy doesnt know how to read

Real kind internet interaction there, thanks for your time today.

I understand your point. But how good is EK really now? Sure he was good/great in Ottawa, but he's beee no way worth his contract for years except for maybe last season. And sure he had a lot of points but can he defend?

Morrow, perhaps. Some Canes fans go a little overboard rating him.

Nikishkin you can presumably forget. He's not available.

Nikishin is less likely than morrow. I don’t think either are on the table in an EK trade (or nylander in this instance). Would have to be for a top 4 d with some team control otherwise they’d probably hold onto those guys.

This is my point of contention with the EK trade talks. He had an AWESOME offensive year last year, but before last season any notion of moving him would've been akin to moving a dead contract. And I imagine that is part of what is holding up a lot of these trade talks.

We may never know.

Um I definitely get the concerns. I would say a good chuck of the value is in the retention. I would expect him to regress to around PPG which is roughly worth an 8 mil contract, so you'd get about a 750k discount. On the leafs he'd be playing with more talent up front so there is a decent chance he repeats he crazy ass season, and he played big minutes in all 82 games this season (I think he played all 82 but can't quite remember so dont quote me. He defense is much better than people give him credit for. Only defender on the sharks with a net positive impact. His defensive numbers will all but certainly improve infront a goal tender that is not bottom 10 in NHL goaltender. I would say the defensive concerns are greatly overblown.

My thoughts on the trade are the sharks are taking the bigger gamble in Nylander vs big futures because now the real value for the sharks comes from having to flip Nylander.

This is what I struggled with because I think adding Nylander solves the canes biggest issue in the playoffs and makes them the favorite by a bit of a margin, but idk how much the canes would really give up for a rental(?). It feels like they are reaching a peak in their current iteration of the team and Willy could really put them over the top

From what I've read its really to do with the retention, and both sides are waiting for the other to break in this aspect.

Yep, I understand your trade and you POV. You mentioned the concerns of other GMs and the long term value of EK. Maybe the Sharks should just hold onto EK this season, hope for a another good year from EK. He trade value if they wanted to go that way would be higher.

Why is he walking? There is a whole year until he's FA and is negotiating an extension with TO. This is the nonsense statement that should be ignored.

Nylander is a 27 year old elite offensive player. Yes Karlsson had a huge year, however, he's 33 and statistically speaking he's highly unlikely to continue to produce seasons like this. One injury and it's back to what he's been for several years. No chance a 33 year old making 11.5 million gets a 27 year old elite player. Keep dreaming.

The whole Karlsson to TO dream is topically nonsense. What I mean by that is Karlsson recently saying he had discussions with TO is meaningless now. They likely had those discussions prior to the draft. Now it's just past tense and TO is not in the running. It's Pittsburgh or Carolina.

I think this is by far the riskiest option. Sharks have no elite wingers or goal scorers any more after Timo left. Seems better to me to trade him now, if it is a viable option.

Because Nylander wants 10 million and the leafs can't afford that if they want to keep Mathews and Marner and have space to have a competent team around them.

That's a big risk, too. As has been pointed out, his style of defending is......not lol. If he can keep up the offense, his value likely goes up. But if his production drops, his value will be significantly less.

Lol, Nylander would get a bigger return than Karlsson. There is no risk here for SJ. They get a 27 year old elite offensive player they can flip for way more than they are giving up to get him.

Why would TO move Willy when scoring has been their issue in the playoffs?

What is to stop teams from saying we won't pay a lot for him because he will just walk in the summer? The sharks would have no leverage other than you get him for a playoff run

This is once again a nonsense response born from your desire to make your ideas make sense. Nylander has reportedly asked for 10 million. Some insiders have already walked back those numbers. I think the reality is Nylander wants his next deal to start with a 9 and TO wants it to start with an 8. And they are NEGOTIATING! You guys that are dying to see the Leafs core blow up just refuse to look at reality. TO can afford Willy and Matthews and will make it happen. They all want to stay in TO and they will come to an agreement. This is how every negotiation goes. Every time. And yet here we are, every other pending FA is negotiating like normal but when it involves TO, well it's doom and gloom so sell Willy for way less than he's worth. Why? Because it then makes your dreams seem reasonable. They are not.