Why can't he be bought out?

Why can't he bought out? The next buyout window is Wednesday.
Ridiculous overpay to trade Murray who has 687.000 buyout this season.

I believe their buyout window is still open for a bit. arbitration was just settled...now there are a few days (I believe) for TOR to make a decision.

I believe buyout window is closed

oops. well nevermind then lol

New buyout window open with TOR and Sammy going to arbitration. I think it's limited (48 hours or so), but they have another window.

Buyout is option #1
But if a trade were to transpire, the cost to dump Murray should be around just a late 2nd or early 3rd rd pick (see NYI dumping Bailey 1x5mil for a 2nd pd pick)

IMO the Leafs will looking to buyout both Murray and Brodie, in order to fill a 22 man roster.
Don't like losing Brodie, but he as a zero dollar cap hit this year, Murray just 687,000. 24/25...Murray and Brodie would have a combined 4.5m cap hit.

2nd window for after signing RFAs who filed for arbitration (see the buyout FAQ). The only question is whether or not he is injured. Cannot buyout an injured player.

We're at an interesting point right now because the Hawks also went into arbitration with Kurashev...which means they ALSO have a window for the buyout. A trade COULD be done where the Hawks actually buyout Murray and take the full cap hit off TOR. Treliving probably isn't just thinking about this year. Maybe Brodie and Murray sent to CHI? I like Brodie. I don't think he's worth his current cap hit, BUT he's better than Zaitsev. That's for sure.

Caveat being, I haven't kept up on whether or not Murray is "injured"...I have a feeling that'll work itself out.

That's an interesting point, but arguing that value of what would be sent to CHI seems unnecessary as no one here will agree. I don't think Brodie gets moved, but that's just me.

TOR brass has been pretty tight lipped regarding Murray's health. Typical media speculation is all we have at the moment.

If Matthews re-signs at 13.5m and Nylander stays (lets just say 9.5m), then that 4.5m will be significant, no?

Overall, I tend to think you're right. Brodie gets a lot of grief in the media because all Leafs players are under a microscope. Something would need to be worked out. Even though Murray's cap hit isn't high this year...it's not just for this year. I'm no GM, just talking out loud.

Maybe I'm not noticing, but I don't think Brodie is getting much grief from the media. It's from the fans. He had a couple of blunders in the playoffs, if you can even call them blunders. So now the hate is shifted in his direction because he "makes too much money". He's been great since he got here, and the d-core will take a big hit if he's not around without some sort of realistic replacement.

Nice scenario you have about the trade. But I'm kinda surprised it hasn't already isn't done.

Murray did dress for the last playoff game (on the bench) so I kinda feel it is a too far fetched to think he is eligible for LTIR (as many Leaf fans hope). Teams just can't go into the season with 4.7m player on their roster "hoping" he goes on LTIR to make the cap work, though undoubtedly Murray would be on LTIR at some time.

IMO the Leafs will due the buyout and not worry about the cap hit in 24/25. Leafs are in a win mode now (see the UFA signings). Lots of cap coming off next season and the Leafs won't be worried about losing a UFA in order to make the cap work in 24/25. My opinion....Nylander, Klingberg, Bertuzzi aren not Leafs in 24/25, Maybe not Samsonov or Matthews either.

The Leafs still have Bertuzzi, Domi, Klingberg, and Samsonov all UFA next summer . Yeah 4.5m in significant. I like Nylander but don't know if I would pay him 9m. An eight year deal takes him to age 36.
Not sure if the Leafs and other teams see him as 70m contract. Even Matthews, is he resigning as Leaf is questionable
Just my opinion, I really don't care if UFA leave "my" team. That's the nature of the business. Just use that cap to sign other players....hopefully a wise use of the cap.
NBA, NFL, and MLB all have a carousel of UFAs during the off season. But somehow on CapFriendly, the CF followers think it's wrong if one of their team's UFA leaves.....but it's OK to sign UFA from other teams.

Hawks cannot buyout Murray or Brodie. In order to be a buyout candidate in the 2nd buyout window, the player must have been on the roster of the team buying him out at the trade deadline the prior season. The Leafs are the only team that could buyout either Murray or Brodie.

I believe Murray is injured and cannot be bought out, only option is LTIR.

If you don't pass your end of the year physical you are not eligible to be bought out.

If he is injured, he will stay on LTIR for the season, if he is not on LTIR, he will be bought out

If he can't be bought out he will be put in LTIR for the duration of the season.

You cannot just declare that the LTIR lasts for the duration of the season and have it be true. If he retires, sure. But if it is standard LTIR then once he is healthy enough to come back, they would need to activate him.

Your last point is interesting, I wasn't aware of that.

Teams coach players on what to say so they are deemed to be injured the whole season. Based on his comments this off season, he was healthy enough for a buyout to be likely this season

Murray quoted that he was healthy to play if needed during the playoffs, I believe this means he did pass the physical and will be eligible for buyout, but I'm not certain on that

I guess from the Hawks point of view...it's fine either way. ultimately means that TOR is likely to keep him or they'll buy him out vs paying the cost required to shed that cap.