Honestly laughable from Vancouvers perspective. Hoglander is cheap and younger and frankly better

Remind me of the last time Hoglander scored 20 goals?

Jarnkrok wouldn't here either. Hoglander's struggles are largely because of our logjam on wing. Trading for another older, more expensive winger that wouldn't do more than play 4th line here would be idiotic. If you want Hoglander, swap him for a dman. Timmins works. If you don't want Hoglander, both teams can walk. You'd have to pay us to take Jarnkrok because he simply is the last thing we need.

To be honest not sure on why this guy is crazy on acquiring Hoglander in the first place

Log jam at wing for the Canucks. An out of playoff team can't find a spot for him.....geez; Trading Jarnkrok doesn't help the Leafs cap.

trading jarnkrok makes us cap compliant. so yea it helps XD

Canucks pass. Hoggys a keeper.IMHO.

If Jarnkrok is a 3rd liner on the leafs, he isn't a 4th liner on the canucks. Did the canucks improve that much, they must be a shoe in to make the playoffs than.

I think he is to important to the leafs mainly because of their lack of forwards for the PK. I think if they trade Brodie for a d-man around the 2-3M range that will be on the 3rd pairing. I know it will be a major downgrade but all the leafs have to do is get to the TDL and get a rental for the playoffs. I just think Brodie lack of physical play come playoff time in such a tough division is a big issue.

kuzmenko, mikheyev, beauvillier, garland, boeser and a spot to develop podkolzin would indeed mean jarnkrok gets 4th line. Unless we want to throw the development of Pod while trading Hog, which losing value on both of them for a miniscule and unnecessary upgrade is bad asset management.
There's nothing to convince us of, we don't want Jarnkrok...

Don't you guys need to move someone to get under the cap?

we can solve our cap troubles either by sending a few players down, or the likely rumored myers move after his bonus is paid. Regardless, taking on a full million in jarnkrok doesn't help, and its two steps backwards and more bad asset management to trade out cap, then overpay for a guy we dont need to replace them

I was thinking more along the lines of Boeser or Garland being moved. You would obviously no more than me about the canucks though. Leafs need Jarnkrok for his PK ability, so l don't see them moving him.

Both of those guys are off the rumor wheel ever since OEL was bought out. We can be under the cap (assuming pearson plays, poolman ltir) by running a 22 man roster, or by shedding myers for labanc etc

Hoglander for Timmins would be dumb from Vancouver's end. Timmins is what he is, Hoglander still has more upside. Also, Hoglander's struggles are not due to the logjam, it was due to the fact that he wasn't coaxed into improving his defensive IQ by the previous regime, which threatened to ruin his development. Thankfully the new regime got him down to the AHL in time before any permanent damage was done, cause he apparently did quite well when in Abbotsford. Not saying that Hogs time in the NHL so far was a waste or anything, just that there was an urgent need to get things back on track from a developmental perspective. If Hoglander didn't get injured at the end of the 21-22 season and have season ending groin surgery(I believe), he would have been sent down to Abbotsford before the end of that season

Oh you know, typically Leafs fan wanting to make a cap casualty of a non-essential veteran player and hope to be able to flip it for a younger up and coming asset whom they think they can argue is a lost cause but they secretly believe still has upside to be mined. Honestly though, can't think of fans of any other team who scavenge around like this to quite the same degree of desperation

That's good, cause I would hate to see Jarnkrok have to move his young family yet again

Very poorly informed argument you got there

Its a mix of the two. He doesn't have a obvious place in the roster to play, and when he does he is not there for long. He also did need to refine his development, but when your role and linemates change as often as they did, it will not help.

I won't say the Canucks are a shoe in to make the playoffs, but they're much more likely to make it than I think most are giving them credit for. They're definitely not as good as Vegas and Edmonton, probably not as good as LA, but I definitely think they're better than Seattle, as not only did Seattle get worse this off-season, but they are due for some regression naturally, and Calgary, cause even if they keep their key guys in Lindholm, Backlund, and Hanifin, I see the lack of resolution to their futures becoming a locker room distraction thereby limiting the team's ceiling, and I don't see Sutter gone being this massive addition by subtraction piece that some others may think it will be. If we assume Dallas, Colorado, and Minnesota take the top 3 spots in the central, that leaves Vancouver to fight against Winnipeg, St. Louis, and Nashville for the wildcard spots, three teams of which look weaker than Vancouver to me

Hoglander doesn't need consistent linemates quite to the same urgency as an Elias Pettersson or J.T. Miller does, and gotta give new management at least a full season in office to be able to bring in some more roster balance and stability, can't expect it overnight with how unideal of a hand they were dealt to start

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Saying that Jarkrok has a 20 goal season under his belt says one thing in a vacuum, but it most certainly doesn't definitively trump Nils Hoglander's still untapped upside in being still a young and up and comer

He's barely shown anything since his rookie season

He's still shown he's got a strong work ethic and brings a good amount of energy, just needs to work on his defensive details and his finishing ability, still way too early to bust. He did well in his time in Abbotsford, not that you'd know without me telling you