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Sell low on Petry

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Team: 2023-24 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 8, 2023
Published: Aug. 8, 2023
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First off, I like Petry a lot. I think if you put him next to Kovacevic or Barron today, he's by far the better defensemen. That being said, I think the Habs should trade him for whatever they can get before the season starts.

Here's my reasoning:

1) I don't think he wants to be in Montreal and that taints the experience for players who are excited to be here.

2) Harris, Barron, Xhekaj, and Kovacevic need ice time to establish themselves as NHL regulars. It's no secret that 2 of those 4 will need to be traded in 1-2 years to make room for the Hutson/Reinbacher/Mailloux/Engstroms of the world. If they play and play well, they can bring back a better return than a 36 year old Petry next offseason.

3) at 35 years old, Perry's value will only decline from here. Let's not pull another Edmundson. Get what we can before it's too late.

4) Edit: You don't have to be the clear winner in every deal. We already came out on top with Petry 25% retained & 2nd for Hoffman. This would make it a 2nd, 3rd, 7th, for Hoffman and 2.34M cap relief for 2 years. That's just fine.

There are some teams who might be willing to trade a 2nd for him at 2.34M - but I would be happy with roster space plus an Edmundson-like return.
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MTL
  1. 2024 3rd round pick (BUF)
  2. 2024 7th round pick (BUF)
BUF
  1. Petry, Jeff ($2,340,000 retained)
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Similar return as Joel Edmundson for a savvy vet who can still skate better than most rookies and put up some points
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Aug. 8, 2023 at 9:49 a.m.
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Sabres are already full with RD, especially if Dahlin stays on that side (he should)
And we didn’t just sign Clifton & E.Johnson to put one of them in the Press Box

Just can’t see the Sabres being interested in Petry
And i don’t think we are making any moves before training camp

Maybe if there’s an injury, maybe
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Aug. 8, 2023 at 9:57 a.m.
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Quoting: AntiAnalytics
Sabres are already full with RD, especially if Dahlin stays on that side (he should)
And we didn’t just sign Clifton & E.Johnson to put one of them in the Press Box

Just can’t see the Sabres being interested in Petry
And i don’t think we are making any moves before training camp

Maybe if there’s an injury, maybe


what will happen to Lybushkin? especially if Dahlin stays on the right side. any idea what will happen to Bush or Henri
Aug. 8, 2023 at 10:00 a.m.
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god damnit we're already back to Petry to Buffalo trades.
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Aug. 8, 2023 at 10:01 a.m.
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Quoting: stephane_robidas
what will happen to Lybushkin? especially if Dahlin stays on the right side. any idea what will happen to Bush or Henri


My best guess is that Lyubushkin and Bryson are the first to go, in no particular order. I think Bryson faces waivers.
Aug. 8, 2023 at 10:20 a.m.
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My best guess is that Lyubushkin and Bryson are the first to go, in no particular order. I think Bryson faces waivers.


I would take bush off your hands
Aug. 8, 2023 at 10:40 a.m.
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I agree with value and simply trading him. I do think Nashville or dallas or more likely destinations than Buffalo however
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Aug. 8, 2023 at 10:47 a.m.
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Quoting: JLance
god damnit we're already back to Petry to Buffalo trades.


I know - I had hoped the lunacy from all of the Penguin fan proposals stopped with him leaving Pittsburgh but now it seems Habs fans are infected with the same illogical notions.
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Aug. 8, 2023 at 10:50 a.m.
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3) at 35 years old, Perry's value will only decline from here. Let's not pull another Edmundson. Get what we can before it's too late.

Hilarious when an ACGM reveals their logic for dumping a particular player off their favorite team while assuming other teams don't share the same logic for why they wouldn't want that player.

For the very reasons cited, Buffalo has no need to take on an aging player in decline at a position where they already made their additions earlier this summer.
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Aug. 8, 2023 at 10:56 a.m.
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Quoting: JLance
My best guess is that Lyubushkin and Bryson are the first to go, in no particular order. I think Bryson faces waivers.


I think Bryson will be the first and only casualty - and the Sabres will first try to trade him for any kind of return. Failing that, they'll waive him in hopes he gets claimed. If no one claims him, I think the Sabres relegate him to 3rd pairing minutes in Rochester to make sure their prospects like Johnson and Novikov get 1st pairing minutes.

My hunch is that the Sabres will carry only 1 extra forwards and 2 extra defensemen, which will be Stillman and Lyubushkin. Either of them may get dealt by the deadline if the Sabres decide they won't resign them in free agency after their contracts expire.
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Aug. 8, 2023 at 11:12 a.m.
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Quoting: AntiAnalytics
Sabres are already full with RD, especially if Dahlin stays on that side (he should)
And we didn’t just sign Clifton & E.Johnson to put one of them in the Press Box

Just can’t see the Sabres being interested in Petry
And i don’t think we are making any moves before training camp

Maybe if there’s an injury, maybe


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god damnit we're already back to Petry to Buffalo trades.


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I agree with value and simply trading him. I do think Nashville or dallas or more likely destinations than Buffalo however


Quoting: rktkt66
I know - I had hoped the lunacy from all of the Penguin fan proposals stopped with him leaving Pittsburgh but now it seems Habs fans are infected with the same illogical notions.


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3) at 35 years old, Perry's value will only decline from here. Let's not pull another Edmundson. Get what we can before it's too late.

Hilarious when an ACGM reveals their logic for dumping a particular player off their favorite team while assuming other teams don't share the same logic for why they wouldn't want that player.

For the very reasons cited, Buffalo has no need to take on an aging player in decline at a position where they already made their additions earlier this summer.


Hey Team - Thanks for all the comments.

I understand you all don't think Petry is a good fit in Buffalo. I fully admit I did not research if he would be a good fit, I was just regurgitating something Montreal beat writer Eric Engels said on a podcast last night. No hard feelings!

I am curious if some of you would comment on whether you think a 3rd and a 7th is far for an ageing mid-pair defender signed for 2 years at 2.34M? I get that you don't want him in Buffalo, but is that only because you don't have space for him, or because you think this is "bad value"?
Aug. 8, 2023 at 11:19 a.m.
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Hey Team - Thanks for all the comments.

I understand you all don't think Petry is a good fit in Buffalo. I fully admit I did not research if he would be a good fit, I was just regurgitating something Montreal beat writer Eric Engels said on a podcast last night. No hard feelings!

I am curious if some of you would comment on whether you think a 3rd and a 7th is far for an ageing mid-pair defender signed for 2 years at 2.34M? I get that you don't want him in Buffalo, but is that only because you don't have space for him, or because you think this is "bad value"?


Someone might pay a 3rd for him
But as a Sabres fan, i wouldn’t be interested
He’s old & not very good

I think MTLs best bet would be to hope he has a decent season & try to trade him at the deadline to whoever has the most need for a RD
If u guys hold half his salary, I’d bet u get a taker
And likely more value than if u moved him now
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Aug. 8, 2023 at 11:20 a.m.
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Quoting: AntiAnalytics
Someone might pay a 3rd for him
But as a Sabres fan, i wouldn’t be interested
He’s old & not very good

I think MTLs best bet would be to hope he has a decent season & try to trade him at the deadline to whoever has the most need for a RD
If u guys hold half his salary, I’d bet u get a taker
And likely more value than if u moved him now


Do you know the story about how he left Montreal 1 year ago? I don't think he can stay in Montreal.
Aug. 8, 2023 at 11:23 a.m.
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Quoting: rktkt66
I think Bryson will be the first and only casualty - and the Sabres will first try to trade him for any kind of return. Failing that, they'll waive him in hopes he gets claimed. If no one claims him, I think the Sabres relegate him to 3rd pairing minutes in Rochester to make sure their prospects like Johnson and Novikov get 1st pairing minutes.

My hunch is that the Sabres will carry only 1 extra forwards and 2 extra defensemen, which will be Stillman and Lyubushkin. Either of them may get dealt by the deadline if the Sabres decide they won't resign them in free agency after their contracts expire.


As of right now,
We’re likely carrying 3 goalies, 12 forwards, 8 defensemen
Aug. 8, 2023 at 11:25 a.m.
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Do you know the story about how he left Montreal 1 year ago? I don't think he can stay in Montreal.


He might not have a choice
Most teams have their lineups set for the most part

Maybe a preseason injury gets a team interested now,
but u guys likely won’t get much for him
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Aug. 8, 2023 at 11:26 a.m.
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Quoting: AntiAnalytics
He might not have a choice
Most teams have their lineups set for the most part

Maybe a preseason injury gets a team interested now,
but u guys likely won’t get much for him


I thought a 3rd and 7th "wasn't much" to be honest. He still put up 31 points in 61 games last season.
Aug. 8, 2023 at 11:28 a.m.
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I thought a 3rd and 7th "wasn't much" to be honest. He still put up 31 points in 61 games last season.


Yeah, that’s ok
But like i said, teams have their rosters pretty much set at this point
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Aug. 8, 2023 at 11:32 a.m.
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I would take bush off your hands


I think a mid round pick is probably the going rate.
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Aug. 8, 2023 at 11:38 a.m.
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Hey Team - Thanks for all the comments.

I understand you all don't think Petry is a good fit in Buffalo. I fully admit I did not research if he would be a good fit, I was just regurgitating something Montreal beat writer Eric Engels said on a podcast last night. No hard feelings!

I am curious if some of you would comment on whether you think a 3rd and a 7th is far for an ageing mid-pair defender signed for 2 years at 2.34M? I get that you don't want him in Buffalo, but is that only because you don't have space for him, or because you think this is "bad value"?


Look.. the value is decent. I think he gives you enough next year to justify a 3rd round pick. The 7th is whatever.

He's a bad fit for Buffalo, and probably most teams because he's becoming slow. But he's still competent. So, while useful at that cost, still kinda undesirable.

I think he's a decent fit for a team looking for complimentary PP and 5v5 scoring from their bottom 3 D.

I don't want to say the obvious of just mailing him to Anaheim or Arizona with no return address, so let's say... I don't know.. I think he'd help San Jose or Calgary, especially if they got rid of Hanifin.
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Aug. 8, 2023 at 12:53 p.m.
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Quoting: JLance
Look.. the value is decent. I think he gives you enough next year to justify a 3rd round pick. The 7th is whatever.

He's a bad fit for Buffalo, and probably most teams because he's becoming slow. But he's still competent. So, while useful at that cost, still kinda undesirable.

I think he's a decent fit for a team looking for complimentary PP and 5v5 scoring from their bottom 3 D.

I don't want to say the obvious of just mailing him to Anaheim or Arizona with no return address, so let's say... I don't know.. I think he'd help San Jose or Calgary, especially if they got rid of Hanifin.


Alright, thanks for sharing your insights. I think a lot of my fellow Habs fans think we're gonna get a 1st for him at the TDL with no retention, so it helps to hear alternative perspectives.

Good luck next season!
Aug. 8, 2023 at 12:57 p.m.
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I thought a 3rd and 7th "wasn't much" to be honest. He still put up 31 points in 61 games last season.
At the TDL RHD are gold.
He could easily return a second, especially if the RHD market is weak.
So a third and seventh would be an easy yes to a team who needed to upgrade the RHD.
While Petry would be an upgrade over Lyubushkin and most likely Johnson, is it worth a third for Buffalo to upgrade their 3rd or 4th RHD, probably not.
Aug. 8, 2023 at 1:00 p.m.
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99% Buffalo is on Petry's no trade list. Why even entertain this?
He would have been traded there already if he was accepting a trade to Buffalo.
Aug. 8, 2023 at 3:03 p.m.
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Quoting: AntiAnalytics
As of right now,
We’re likely carrying 3 goalies, 12 forwards, 8 defensemen


Adams acknowledged that he's not a fan of a 3-goalie system or repeating what they did in goal last season. Training camp will decide what Comrie's (or UPL's) fates will be.
Aug. 8, 2023 at 3:26 p.m.
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Adams acknowledged that he's not a fan of a 3-goalie system or repeating what they did in goal last season. Training camp will decide what Comrie's (or UPL's) fates will be.


Have to imagine it's Comrie who will be sent up river. Adams went painfully out of his way to support UPL because he knows no one else is doing so.
Aug. 8, 2023 at 3:27 p.m.
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Quoting: Koskinen_The_Great
99% Buffalo is on Petry's no trade list. Why even entertain this?
He would have been traded there already if he was accepting a trade to Buffalo.


Why is it some predetermined trade to Buffalo? Where does that even from? Did someone from his camp specifically say he declined a trade to Buffalo?
Aug. 8, 2023 at 3:29 p.m.
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Quoting: gretzkyghosts
At the TDL RHD are gold.
He could easily return a second, especially if the RHD market is weak.
So a third and seventh would be an easy yes to a team who needed to upgrade the RHD.
While Petry would be an upgrade over Lyubushkin and most likely Johnson, is it worth a third for Buffalo to upgrade their 3rd or 4th RHD, probably not.


good post, defensemen become more popular around the deadline. I don't think it's out of the question to get a late 1st for him with retention. Depends on who's on the market at that time.
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