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2 trades 1 pick

Created by: jonh514
Team: 2023-24 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 9, 2023
Published: Aug. 9, 2023
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There are different types of asset management. The obvious is acquiring prospects and picks for players, but another less obvious one is keeping players off the roster who do not buy into the program.

Petry & Armia both need to go. Habs don't need more picks. Habs don't need more B and C-level prospects. Habs need to build a true meritocracy without problem-child players distracting the group.

Here's how we can move out these players and get focused on the future.
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. Faksa, Radek
  2. 2024 2nd round pick (DAL)
DAL
  1. Petry, Jeff ($1,500,000 retained)
Additional Details:
Retention is to even the cap hit
2.
MTL
ANA
  1. Armia, Joel
  2. 2024 2nd round pick (DAL)
  3. 2024 5th round pick (SJS)
Additional Details:
Cap dump
3.
MTL
ANA
  1. Wideman, Chris
Additional Details:
Waivers (Picked up or Laval)
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2024
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2025
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2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,500,000$72,146,666$1,170,000$4,210,000$11,353,334
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$7,850,000$7,850,000
LW, RW
UFA - 8
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$7,875,000$7,875,000
C
UFA - 7
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$1,985,000$1,985,000 (Performance Bonus$15,000$15K)
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$2,900,000$2,900,000
C, LW
RFA - 4
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$3,362,500$3,362,500
C, RW
RFA - 3
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$950,000$950,000 (Performance Bonus$3,500,000$4M)
RW, LW
RFA - 2
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 4
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$1,100,000$1,100,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
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$1,700,000$1,700,000
C
UFA - 2
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$775,000$775,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
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$812,500$812,500
LW, RW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$4,875,000$4,875,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$275,000$275K)
RD
RFA - 1
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
G
UFA - 1
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$420,000$420K)
LD/RD
RFA - 2
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
RD
UFA - 2
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$1,925,000$1,925,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$828,333$828,333
LD/RD
RFA - 1
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$1,400,000$1,400,000
LD/RD
RFA - 2
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$1,800,000$1,800,000
G
UFA - 1
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$766,667$766,667
RD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$4,450,000$4,450,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$10,500,000$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 3

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Aug. 9, 2023 at 8:35 a.m.
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What's the issue with Petry? Since we traded him we've been searching for another, how is he a problem child who doesn't buy in?

I can understand the Armia move but why not buy him out or waive him and keep the picks?
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Aug. 9, 2023 at 8:40 a.m.
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Not sure why Dallas is adding a 2nd Round Pick in this trade. Cap hit is even and Faksa is a solid defensive 3C, while Petry is a fine 2/3 RD. Make it a 1-for-1 and you're on track, but I don't see Dallas giving up a top-60 pick in this kind of trade.
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Aug. 9, 2023 at 8:47 a.m.
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Quoting: TheMooterus
Not sure why Dallas is adding a 2nd Round Pick in this trade. Cap hit is even and Faksa is a solid defensive 3C, while Petry is a fine 2/3 RD. Make it a 1-for-1 and you're on track, but I don't see Dallas giving up a top-60 pick in this kind of trade.


Agree since I posted a one on one trade like this one a couple of days ago. Of course it was rejected by Habs’ fans. Of course, if they don’t know Faksa and look only at the point production, they will reject the trade. But, like you said, Radek is a solid defensive center capable of running solid PK unit while able to play up and down the lineup if required. He is also much younger than Petry and could be flip at a contending teams at the TDL.
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Aug. 9, 2023 at 9:00 a.m.
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Quoting: Just_A_Guess
What's the issue with Petry? Since we traded him we've been searching for another, how is he a problem child who doesn't buy in?

I can understand the Armia move but why not buy him out or waive him and keep the picks?


The Monty incident comes to mind. Asking for a trade originally. The fact that he has refused any interviews from the French media since the trade.

He's a fine player, but too much of a distraction.
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Aug. 9, 2023 at 9:01 a.m.
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Quoting: TheMooterus
Not sure why Dallas is adding a 2nd Round Pick in this trade. Cap hit is even and Faksa is a solid defensive 3C, while Petry is a fine 2/3 RD. Make it a 1-for-1 and you're on track, but I don't see Dallas giving up a top-60 pick in this kind of trade.


Faksa is a fine player, but the Habs are taking Faksa to make the cap work since Dallas has no cap space. Habs already have 6 centers, so adding a 7th is not a need.

I would rather trade Petry with no one coming back, just a pick.
Aug. 9, 2023 at 9:02 a.m.
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Agree since I posted a one on one trade like this one a couple of days ago. Of course it was rejected by Habs’ fans. Of course, if they don’t know Faksa and look only at the point production, they will reject the trade. But, like you said, Radek is a solid defensive center capable of running solid PK unit while able to play up and down the lineup if required. He is also much younger than Petry and could be flip at a contending teams at the TDL.


As mentioned in another comment, the difference is we would prefer not to take Faksa back, we are doing it to facilitate the deal. Habs do not need or want Faksa.
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Aug. 9, 2023 at 9:04 a.m.
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The Armia move is completely understandable.
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Aug. 9, 2023 at 9:08 a.m.
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Quoting: Just_A_Guess
What's the issue with Petry? Since we traded him we've been searching for another, how is he a problem child who doesn't buy in?

I can understand the Armia move but why not buy him out or waive him and keep the picks?


BTW: Habs don't have another buy out window until next offseason.
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Aug. 9, 2023 at 9:18 a.m.
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As mentioned in another comment, the difference is we would prefer not to take Faksa back, we are doing it to facilitate the deal. Habs do not need or want Faksa.


Maybe you’re right, but the Habs were 29 last year in both goals against and on the PK. A center like Faksa would improve those rankings.
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Aug. 9, 2023 at 9:23 a.m.
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Maybe you’re right, but the Habs were 29 last year in both goals against and on the PK. A center like Faksa would improve those rankings.


Habs want to be bad, Dallas wants to improve their dcore. It would honestly make more sense to involve Suter in this deal but he likely doesn't waive
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Aug. 9, 2023 at 10:12 a.m.
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The Monty incident comes to mind. Asking for a trade originally. The fact that he has refused any interviews from the French media since the trade.

He's a fine player, but too much of a distraction.


I think the request for a trade last year is the bigger issue. The media frenzy may be because Habs already have plans to move him and are working the details with one or two other teams, hence they know he won't be wearing the jersey at the start of the season, not because it's the "French" media. The only news from the Petry's seems to come from Engels, but again this is not all the media in English nor have they been doing interviews since to the English and not French.. Engels just published this out, but nothing "official" fromthe Habs or Petry's camp:

"I spoke with them and they are doing well under the circumstances. What happened has happened and they know the hockey business well. They are aware that Kent Hughes will try to trade the veteran defenseman before the start of the season, but if he doesn't manage to do so, they will come to Montreal and do everything in their power to try to turn the situation into a positive." - Eric Engels

They are doing well "under the circumstances"? That doesn't sound very encouraging, to say the least. They are just waiting to see where he'll end up.
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Aug. 9, 2023 at 10:40 a.m.
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Quoting: Phleb2
Maybe you’re right, but the Habs were 29 last year in both goals against and on the PK. A center like Faksa would improve those rankings.


I mean we can argue about whether the issues were the talent of the team or the injuries, or simply the level of experience. One thing is sure however, the Habs are not going to fix their problems by building from the 3rd line out!
Aug. 9, 2023 at 10:44 a.m.
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I think the request for a trade last year is the bigger issue. The media frenzy may be because Habs already have plans to move him and are working the details with one or two other teams, hence they know he won't be wearing the jersey at the start of the season, not because it's the "French" media. The only news from the Petry's seems to come from Engels, but again this is not all the media in English nor have they been doing interviews since to the English and not French.. Engels just published this out, but nothing "official" fromthe Habs or Petry's camp:

"I spoke with them and they are doing well under the circumstances. What happened has happened and they know the hockey business well. They are aware that Kent Hughes will try to trade the veteran defenseman before the start of the season, but if he doesn't manage to do so, they will come to Montreal and do everything in their power to try to turn the situation into a positive." - Eric Engels

They are doing well "under the circumstances"? That doesn't sound very encouraging, to say the least. They are just waiting to see where he'll end up.


Yeah. I don't care how much money you make, leaving all your structure and family support behind is stressful. That being said, this is just a bad look for the Habs and for the family Petry.

I was a big Petry fan, but I want to see a Petry redux even less than I wanted a Michel Therrien redux.
Aug. 9, 2023 at 10:51 a.m.
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Not sure why Dallas is adding a 2nd Round Pick in this trade. Cap hit is even and Faksa is a solid defensive 3C, while Petry is a fine 2/3 RD. Make it a 1-for-1 and you're on track, but I don't see Dallas giving up a top-60 pick in this kind of trade.


Defensive centers with no offense with term at a 3.2M cap hit are a negative asset. Top4 RHD that plays over 20 mins, certainly is not! Scarcity is the key word. There is a Faksa on every team that teams would like to move. The Habs have a much cheaper one with Evans for example. Habs making a deal for Faksa without concessions makes zero sense. Stop thinking of the Stars and think why Montreal would even want to do this? Petry doesnt have to be moved. The Habs cap is fine and Petry loves playing in Mtl. It was his wife that wanted out because they have a special needs kid and the pandemic prevented her family from crossing. Those issues are resolved. You honestly think any teams would pay for Faksa? That is laughable. There are a half dozen teams that need a Jeff Petry's minutes on the right. Off the top of my head..Edmonton, Vancouver, Dallas, etc, etc
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Aug. 9, 2023 at 10:56 a.m.
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The Armia move is completely understandable.


As a Rangers fan, I'm pretty sure you have to disagree with everything I post until Lafreniere has a new contract. It's in the manual somewhere.

I kid! Glad to find some common ground!
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Aug. 9, 2023 at 11:02 a.m.
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Funny story. Chris Wideman and his multiple dogs have tried renting from a realtor friend of mine multiple times. Every single time the realtor is told that an 'NHL'r' is in the market for an apt. My buddy retorts with, "Is it Chris Wideman because if it is tell him to f off" Nobody cares that you ride the bench when you have a pack of dogs that are going to ruin a building's code.
Aug. 9, 2023 at 4:19 p.m.
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Quoting: TheMooterus
Not sure why Dallas is adding a 2nd Round Pick in this trade. Cap hit is even and Faksa is a solid defensive 3C, while Petry is a fine 2/3 RD. Make it a 1-for-1 and you're on track, but I don't see Dallas giving up a top-60 pick in this kind of trade.


Both players aren't even on the same wave length talent/production/perception wise so not sure how you could argue 1 v 1 makes any sense at all.

I get maybe the 2nd rounder is rich but they certainly aren't 1v1. I don't think Faksa even has any value at his current cap hit in this cap market.

Petry at 3.25M has value, that is not even up for debate. How much value, is, however. Not too mention that Habs are likely to retain all 50% making him a 2.25M cap hit, in order to increase that value. You simply cannot find a better 2.25M cap dman on the market right now. That is available, I should say.
 
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